BCA Nationals charging greens fees

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HollyP

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BCA posted the fees for the Nationals in Vegas in July. This year they're now charging greens fees in addition to the entry fees. The fees for 8ball are:

scotch doubles: $20
singles: $35
mens/mixed team: $175
mens/mixed advanced: $140
all other teams: $125

I don't play a lot of national tournaments, but have been playing BCA for years and this is the first year they've charged this. The greens fees seem really high to me. Am I mistaken or is this the standard green fees charged for national level tournaments?
 
HollyP said:
BCA posted the fees for the Nationals in Vegas in July. This year they're now charging greens fees in addition to the entry fees. The fees for 8ball are:

scotch doubles: $20
singles: $35
mens/mixed team: $175
mens/mixed advanced: $140
all other teams: $125

I don't play a lot of national tournaments, but have been playing BCA for years and this is the first year they've charged this. The greens fees seem really high to me. Am I mistaken or is this the standard green fees charged for national level tournaments?
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Sounds better than a dollar a game.
 
If you play in the singles, for example, do you think that you will play (including practice) over 35 games? That should answer your question if you think it is a good deal. Plus you get free entry into watching the pro events (all three of them) anytime you like.

I do think that the referee staff of the BCA will have to do a better job of policing in between matches to ensure that the person that is up in the box next gets priority in warming up on their table.
 
Strange there has been no official statement from BCAPL regarding this. VNEA charges a green's fee for their event. Tables are open all day when not in tournament use. If this is the case it seems reasonable to me. SBE has a $25 registration fee for their events with open tables. I play in three events.

Noticed a $10 per player fee is also added to doubles and $25 per player to the team events. The singles are $35. If I were to play in one 9 ball event, one 8 ball singles event, scotch doubles and a team event, my minimum upfront cost would be $95.00 in table fees. Seems somewhat high to me although I probably paid more than that in dollars last year. If this helps BCAPL avoid the "door nazi's", great. In my view, the low point of the last few events.

Also did not see any mention of a registration fee per event. If such a charge is not part of this years events and the entry fees stayed the same, then the prize fund for the players should go up by $15 to $20 per player entered. And in my best Forrest Gump voice, "that's good"!

Lyn
 
They talked a lot about it switching to green fees during the TAR match on the weekend.

I am sure BCA did the math on how many tables per event, etc to make sure they covered the costs of the tables and whatnot. Take as many practice games as you can!
 
I think it's a great idea!
You only have to play 35 games of practice and in the tourney. A lot of people don't like plugging a buck a game. Now you wont have to run to get tokens every now and then.
I also think it will create way more action! You can play on any open table for free. Last year was kind of dead action wise. I think you will see a lot more people sticking around the tourney room hitting balls and willing to match up.
The team fee seems a bit steep, but singles seems just right.
 
watchez said:
If you play in the singles, for example, do you think that you will play (including practice) over 35 games? That should answer your question if you think it is a good deal. Plus you get free entry into watching the pro events (all three of them) anytime you like.

I do think that the referee staff of the BCA will have to do a better job of policing in between matches to ensure that the person that is up in the box next gets priority in warming up on their table.
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I'm pretty sure they sell passes separately to watch the pro events.
 
watchez said:
If you play in the singles, for example, do you think that you will play (including practice) over 35 games? That should answer your question if you think it is a good deal. Plus you get free entry into watching the pro events (all three of them) anytime you like.

I do think that the referee staff of the BCA will have to do a better job of policing in between matches to ensure that the person that is up in the box next gets priority in warming up on their table.
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Takes 70 games in the singles, as you normally pay every other game. Most people never see more then 20 total games in singles play, and a lot of people see under 15 games, losing 5-2 / 5-3. So they spend $7-/$8

This is where the problem will rise. You wont be able to ever hit balls. And someone mentioned action, well if someone wants on the table to practice it will be hard to keep them off since everyone paid the same fee.
Pluck the Buck in still the best way to go. Hell I spent 300 last year there, I don't mind. Because when I want to practice or gamble I know there is always a table available. The green fee route, there will be fights to play on tables.
 
Too high,,,, no, trust me

I thought that was a bit high when VNEA did this a few years back, but no, it ain't. Take into consideration the money you spend to warm up each day. Unlimited practice time when the tables are open. Then, what you spend on your matches, and hitting a rack or 2 before each match. Unless you are one of those people who shows up at the last second before each match, it is well worth the greens fee. Not to mention, it beats having to carry dollar coins, or waiting on your opponent to make a trip to the change machine, because they refuse to buy enough coins at one time, to get thru a whole match.



HollyP said:
BCA posted the fees for the Nationals in Vegas in July. This year they're now charging greens fees in addition to the entry fees. The fees for 8ball are:

scotch doubles: $20
singles: $35
mens/mixed team: $175
mens/mixed advanced: $140
all other teams: $125

I don't play a lot of national tournaments, but have been playing BCA for years and this is the first year they've charged this. The greens fees seem really high to me. Am I mistaken or is this the standard green fees charged for national level tournaments?
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JumpinJoe said:
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Takes 70 games in the singles, as you normally pay every other game. Most people never see more then 20 total games in singles play, and a lot of people see under 15 games, losing 5-2 / 5-3. So they spend $7-/$8

This is where the problem will rise. You wont be able to ever hit balls. And someone mentioned action, well if someone wants on the table to practice it will be hard to keep them off since everyone paid the same fee.
Pluck the Buck in still the best way to go. Hell I spent 300 last year there, I don't mind. Because when I want to practice or gamble I know there is always a table available. The green fee route, there will be fights to play on tables.
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Damn Joe, $300? I'm impressed! Figured between the Open 9 ball, Scotch Doubles, Open singles, Open team and lots of practice racks, I broke $100. You Da Man!!! Also played the ACS event in the Advanced 8 ball and 9 ball team events. I was going from roughly 8 AM to after 1 AM for six days. Luckily, the house is only ten minutes from the Riv and fifteen from the Trop. Not happy about the Rio. More than a twenty minute ride in no traffic. See there in July!

Lyn
 
satman said:
I thought that was a bit high when VNEA did this a few years back, but no, it ain't. Take into consideration the money you spend to warm up each day. Unlimited practice time when the tables are open. Then, what you spend on your matches, and hitting a rack or 2 before each match. Unless you are one of those people who shows up at the last second before each match, it is well worth the greens fee. Not to mention, it beats having to carry dollar coins, or waiting on your opponent to make a trip to the change machine, because they refuse to buy enough coins at one time, to get thru a whole match.
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Sam,

Does the VNEA fee cover the entire tournament or just one event? Never played their Nationals. This year may be the first. Thanks for the info. See you there!

Lyn
 
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kanecalgary said:
I think it's a great idea!
You only have to play 35 games of practice and in the tourney. A lot of people don't like plugging a buck a game. Now you wont have to run to get tokens every now and then.
I also think it will create way more action! You can play on any open table for free. Last year was kind of dead action wise. I think you will see a lot more people sticking around the tourney room hitting balls and willing to match up.
The team fee seems a bit steep, but singles seems just right.
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While not debating the $ amount, I'm totally in favor of green fees.

The worst tournament I ever played in (I won't give details or mention the famous promoter who ran the event), did not have green fees. The event had coin ops for the 300 (if memory serves) entrants, and ONE MACHINE TO CHANGE DOLLARS TO QUARTERS. The line for this machine was sometimes more than fifty people. The only option was to go to a nearby bank to get quarters. Worst of all, if you were waiting in the line for change and your match came up, you forfeited.

I'll go with the green fees!
 
was 2 years ago, sorry when I spent $300.
Played 8 ball open singles (made final 24, my teammate won,lol), 9 ball open singles, scotch doubles, 8 ball team (made final day), some practice games and gambling in action room.
 
greens fees

2 years ago, I played the singles at VNEA, and my 2 friends who flew out with me, were playing the team event only. Tables are open all the time, so they practiced for free. Green fees are attached for each entry. It cost our team $175, or $35 each when you split it up 5 ways. Yea, it's a lot of money, but being able to hit balls as much as you want adds up fast. We got there a day early, and I hit more than 50 racks by myself the first day. 10 days later, I can only guess I hit way over $300 worth of pool, and cost me $105 for 2 singles and 1 team event. As for mini tournies, I think they charged the entry fee, and held a couple bucks for green fees.




cardiac kid said:
Sam,

Does the VNEA fee cover the entire tournament or just one event? Never played their Nationals. This year may be the first. Thanks for the info. See you there!

Lyn
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Its your first post, and there is no link back. Are you trying to troll and start rumors?

HollyP said:
BCA posted the fees for the Nationals in Vegas in July. This year they're now charging greens fees in addition to the entry fees. The fees for 8ball are:

scotch doubles: $20
singles: $35
mens/mixed team: $175
mens/mixed advanced: $140
all other teams: $125

I don't play a lot of national tournaments, but have been playing BCA for years and this is the first year they've charged this. The greens fees seem really high to me. Am I mistaken or is this the standard green fees charged for national level tournaments?
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satman said:
2 years ago, I played the singles at VNEA, and my 2 friends who flew out with me, were playing the team event only. Tables are open all the time, so they practiced for free. Green fees are attached for each entry. It cost our team $175, or $35 each when you split it up 5 ways. Yea, it's a lot of money, but being able to hit balls as much as you want adds up fast. We got there a day early, and I hit more than 50 racks by myself the first day. 10 days later, I can only guess I hit way over $300 worth of pool, and cost me $105 for 2 singles and 1 team event. As for mini tournies, I think they charged the entry fee, and held a couple bucks for green fees.
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Thanks for the information. For the eleven days I spent at the BCAPL Nationals last year, my guess of $100 into the tables was probably low. Easily covered that expense on the first day. I'm totally in favor of a fixed greens fee. That is as long as it's reasonable.

Lyn
 
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