BCA or ACS - Not Both?

davesyrja

davesyrja

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I've been talking with my league operator about what will happen with our league next year.

In Canada, it appears we will have a Canadian CuesSports organization (CCS) that will be affiliated with the American CueSports (ACS) organization in a manner similar to the State organizations. Yep, I know you've always thought of Canada as the 51st State. :D If we join the CCS we automatically become members of the ACS.

I suggested that we register our league with both the CCS/ACS and BCA to leave all our options open. I didn't mind paying the extra money as I would probably become an individual BCA member if I'm not a BCA league member.

Turns out if our league registers with BCA we will NOT be eligible to register with CCS/ACS. :confused:

Is this restriction purely Canadian or does it apply to the ACS as a whole?

I wonder if the BCA also has such a restriction?

I checked both web sites and could not find anything about multi-league sanctioning.

From information I gleaned from the USPPA web site, it appears that the same league may be registered with the BCA and USPPA.

Anyone have more information?
 
I have just looked at the BCA and ACS sites and cannot find anything regarding this issue of not being able to play in both.

Personally, I feel that is extremely childish of the ACS/CCS to say "If you play over there, you cannot play with us!" What is this world coming to if you don't have the freedom to choose both if you elect to? Who do these new people think they are making DEMANDS such as this on the players. This is one way to alienate players from the ACS/CCS. No one can tell me what and where I can play! What the F*%@!!!!!!!

This new group sound very desperate and shady making demands such as these! BEWARE!
 
davesyrja said:
Turns out if our league registers with BCA we will NOT be eligible to register with CCS/ACS. :confused:
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Where did you get this information? from your friendly CCS league operator?

davesyrja said:
I wonder if the BCA also has such a restriction?
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[/QUOTE]markg@bcapoolleague.com or call (907) 351-7300
Let us know what you find out.
 
Hey All,

If this information is correct, it is not coming from Mark Griffin. Mark would not have a standard like this and I would hope that the ACS would not either.

I think more info is needed before jumping to conclusions.

Eydie
 
Skeezicks said:
Where did you get this information? from your friendly CCS league operator? markg@bcapoolleague.com or call (907) 351-7300
Let us know what you find out.
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I got this information from my local operator who was planniing on registering his league with both CCS/ACS and BCA. He was informed that he could not register his league with CCS/ACS if he registered it with BCA.

I never said that this was a restriction of Mark or the BCA. In fact, I gave an example of the BCA and USPPA having no problem registering the same league. I doubt that BCA would have a similar restriction to CCS/ACS, but who knows?

In any case, my league operator said it was made perfectly clear to him by Ted Harms of Canadian CueSports that he would not accept registrations if a league was already registered in BCA.

It is my understanding that Canadian leagues cannot register directly with ACS and must register with CSS. It seem obvious that CCS is the agent of ACS in Canada, making the CCS action of restricting registrations an ACS action also. OR am I missing something?
 
Bob Romano said:
Hey All,

If this information is correct, it is not coming from Mark Griffin. Mark would not have a standard like this and I would hope that the ACS would not either.

I think more info is needed before jumping to conclusions.

Eydie
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Hi Eydie,

I did NOT say the information is coming from Mark Griffin - just the opposite. See my previous reply.
 
Hey Dave,

Sorry I came across wrong. I have been quiet until now regarding this entire situation but this just blows my mind! I knew that Mark would not make a stipulation as that and this is what I was trying to be made clear. I am also aware that this has never been an issue with any leagues i.e. APA, TAP, BCA or VNEA in the past.

I just am amazed that the new organization (if true) would make ultimatum such as this. I want to have faith in all, so I hope that this is NOT the case.

Eydie
 
Bob Romano said:
Hey Dave,

Sorry I came across wrong. I have been quiet until now regarding this entire situation but this just blows my mind! I knew that Mark would not make a stipulation as that and this is what I was trying to be made clear. I am also aware that this has never been an issue with any leagues i.e. APA, TAP, BCA or VNEA in the past.

I just am amazed that the new organization (if true) would make ultimatum such as this. I want to have faith in all, so I hope that this is NOT the case.

Eydie
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Hey Eydie,

I'm sure the information from my local league operator was accurate. I respect his integrity. I thought it would be better to bring the issue to light now rather than right when the CCS/ACS starts accepting registrations. My league operator is always very agreeable and offends no one. I, on the other hand, manage to offend my share of people quite readily. :D
 
That is weak. The ACS is going to make it personal against the BCA and in the end it is the players that get screwed by not being multi-sanctioned and being able to take part in all the events.

Maybe the ACS should rethink this if they truely want to be "By the players and for the players" because this does not at all help the players. It is petty move.
 
Bob Romano said:
Hey Dave,

Sorry I came across wrong. I have been quiet until now regarding this entire situation but this just blows my mind! I knew that Mark would not make a stipulation as that and this is what I was trying to be made clear. I am also aware that this has never been an issue with any leagues i.e. APA, TAP, BCA or VNEA in the past.

I just am amazed that the new organization (if true) would make ultimatum such as this. I want to have faith in all, so I hope that this is NOT the case.

Eydie
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I think it is Ted Harms of CCS that is saying this not the ACS

bob
 
davesyrja said:
I got this information from my local operator who was planniing on registering his league with both CCS/ACS and BCA. He was informed that he could not register his league with CCS/ACS if he registered it with BCA.

I never said that this was a restriction of Mark or the BCA. In fact, I gave an example of the BCA and USPPA having no problem registering the same league. I doubt that BCA would have a similar restriction to CCS/ACS, but who knows?

In any case, my league operator said it was made perfectly clear to him by Ted Harms of Canadian CueSports that he would not accept registrations if a league was already registered in BCA.

It is my understanding that Canadian leagues cannot register directly with ACS and must register with CSS. It seem obvious that CCS is the agent of ACS in Canada, making the CCS action of restricting registrations an ACS action also. OR am I missing something?
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Ted Harms currently has teams in both VNEA andBCA.He is also hosting BCA westerns on may 6-9,one of the prizes for winners are paid trips to toronto eastern BCA tournament next FEB.GO figure
 
almer said:
Ted Harms currently has teams in both VNEA andBCA.He is also hosting BCA westerns on may 6-9,one of the prizes for winners are paid trips to toronto eastern BCA tournament next FEB.GO figure
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Ted Harms runs the tournament every year in Toronto. I think you can bet on next years tournament being changed to the CCS or ACS Canadian Championships instead of the BCA Canadian Chamionships. He has total authority over that tournament, and it is a great event I will add.

Only thing is now that the BCA pro list is no longer an official part of the tournament and he can rewrite some stuff I hope he takes a look at the list of people who are unable to play in it due to pro listing. You have John Jorgenson, Stan Tourangeno, Joe Lawrence, Kevin Cardinal, and other top players in the event and then a person like Brady Gollan, Edwin Montal, or Bernie Mikkelsen are not allowed in although they are questionably no better then the others.

It is even worse in Vegas where the BCA tells a player they are too good to play in the Masters event but they are not allowed to play in the pro event, that is highly lame. If a player is too good to be in the masters then they should be able to buy their way into the pro event as they clearly deserve to be there due to their being ranked a pro by the organization. Instead they are stuck in neverland where they cannot play in any event at all, it is really poor and hopefully both the BCA under Mark and the new ACS with an empty slate and a chance to change things take a close look at it.
 
AzHousePro said:
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http://www.billiardsdigest.com/current_issue/may_04/

Is this the same Ted Harms who is listed as a board member for the ACS?

Mike
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Hi Mike,

Yep, that is the same Ted Harms. Did you notice that with all the talk about the non-profit organization, no one mentioned that the league operators are NOT non-profit. They are in it for a profit - and I fail to see anything wrong with either the league operators or Mark Griffin operating at a profit.

However, the article said nothing about the CCS/ACS refusing to sanction a league if it had BCA sanctioning. I think this is an important point that seems to be ignored.

Do you think with your great contacts you could find out?

I will be at the Westerns in Calgary on May 7-9 and perhaps I'll get a chance to pose this question to Ted Harms.
 
davesyrja said:
Hi Mike,

Yep, that is the same Ted Harms. Did you notice that with all the talk about the non-profit organization, no one mentioned that the league operators are NOT non-profit. They are in it for a profit - and I fail to see anything wrong with either the league operators or Mark Griffin operating at a profit.

However, the article said nothing about the CCS/ACS refusing to sanction a league if it had BCA sanctioning. I think this is an important point that seems to be ignored.

Do you think with your great contacts you could find out?

I will be at the Westerns in Calgary on May 7-9 and perhaps I'll get a chance to pose this question to Ted Harms.
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Dave,you can email him at playpool@playerspoolleague.com i would be interested in what he says
 
davesyrja said:
I've emailed Ted Harms, John Lewis, and Mark Griffin. I'm also interested in what they have to say. I'll let you know their replies.
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Here is the message that I received from Ted Harms. I haven't heard back from John Lewis or Mark Griffin yet.

Hi Dave
Your understanding as relayed by your league operator is basically correct. The only clarification I would add is regarding 'dual' sanctioning. The BCA currently has a policy of no 'dual sanctioning'. It is my belief that both the CCS and ACS will adopt similar policy. To do otherwise simply allows competing league systems to use 'open door' policy to potentially undermine and harm CCS League Operators and members.
You've asked dirrect questions but not expressed what concerns if any you may have depending on the answers? The formation of the autonomous CCS and the emergence of the ACS to fill the void left by the BCA's departure is a great thing for the sport and all the players. Mark Griffin is not the 'BCA'. He has ' rented' the name for 3 years and is effectively a private promoter. Nothing personal but I will feel much more comfortable belonging to a league system where all the money and say stayed with it's members.

Regards
Ted Harms
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davesyrja said:
Here is the message that I received from Ted Harms. I haven't heard back from John Lewis or Mark Griffin yet.
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Ted Harms currently has teams that are dual sanctioned IN Calgary ,Alberta,BCA and VNEA
 
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