BCAPL 8-Ball Rule Question

jojopiff said:
No one can complain so long as you're consistent. I have no issue with this being a foul if I'm playing in a tourney that it's stated clearly. My initial post is what makes the most sense to me, might not be the rule or correct but I try to operate in a manner that common sense prevails.
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wasn't trying for a gotcha, just asking where the line is to be drawn. We are both in agreement though about the consistency of rules. As a TD, you move the cue ball intentionally or unintentionally at any point that isn't a legal stroke, FOULLLLL! lol.

Btw I'm legitimately asking these questions and not trying to bait anyone. I like other peoples opinions.
 
Personally I don't really want to see this in the rule book. If they have a rule for everything that might ever happen in the game of pool the rule book will read like a freakin encyclopedia. There's got to be hundreds of years of pool playing between the people in just this thread and it's been seen once?
 
AF pool guy said:
Nothing ever spots in APA so player B would have no business being at the table.

What if the cueball was on the spot? Then the eight should spot frozen to it on the line.

It is impossible to foul when acting in an official capacity. Other player should get the choice to accept it as it lies or attempt to correct the position to a mutually agreeable set.
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I think the point of his post that you are missing is their statement that the cue ball is ALWAYS live.
 
This should be a foul. Player B should still be sitting in his chair, it's up to player A if he wants to play it as is. It's player A's job to place the 8 ball. Even if he's trying to be nice he should have stayed in his chair.


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Drop The Rock said:
If its me playing the match I'd probably move the cue ball back. However, if I'm the guy who moved the cue-ball, I'd call the foul on myself because it's cue-ball fouls.
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Right I probably would do the same in league. We let fouls (or possible fouls) go all the time just to be friendly or to avoid an argument. But I think there's a legit issue here about what the rules actually say. I think it's always a foul to touch the cue ball, and as long as the rules don't specify "it's only a foul for the shooter" it's a foul on the non-shooter too. Whether you'd actually call it in league is another issue.
 
jojopiff said:
Personally I don't really want to see this in the rule book. If they have a rule for everything that might ever happen in the game of pool the rule book will read like a freakin encyclopedia. There's got to be hundreds of years of pool playing between the people in just this thread and it's been seen once?
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Do you play golf? Have you seen that rule book with all its applied rulings? It is a freakin encyclopedia.

I agree that the rules don't need to be changed but having applied rulings is always good.
 
Skippy27 said:
I think the point of his post that you are missing is their statement that the cue ball is ALWAYS live.
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The point that the cue ball is always alive has already been established.

He made the comment that no balls are ever spotted in spa. He made 2 incorrect comments.

The 9 ball is the only ball ever spotted In Apa. Rules state that in the event the 9 ball is pocketed during a shot when a foul occurs the 9 ball is fo be spotted on the foot spot or as close as possible without disturbing other balls.


Now what do I get for stumping all you guys ? :D
 
Skippy27 said:
I think the point of his post that you are missing is their statement that the cue ball is ALWAYS live.
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Just noticed who I quoted....dang Skippy....being the rule book lawyer I assumed you were by previous posts you have made I thought you would have known this rule .:grin-square:
 
lorider said:
The point that the cue ball is always alive has already been established.

He made the comment that no balls are ever spotted in spa. He made 2 incorrect comments.

The 9 ball is the only ball ever spotted In Apa. Rules state that in the event the 9 ball is pocketed during a shot when a foul occurs the 9 ball is fo be spotted on the foot spot or as close as possible without disturbing other balls.


Now what do I get for stumping all you guys ? :D
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I rarely disagree with you, but from the APA rule book:

8 ball rules:
6. BALLS ON THE FLOOR
Knocking the cue ball off the playing surface is a foul. If the 8-ball is knocked
on the floor, it is loss of game. Knocking any other object ball on the floor is
not a foul. Object balls that get knocked off the playing surface will be
spotted on the foot spot. If the foot spot is taken, the ball will be placed on a
line directly behind the foot spot as close to the foot spot as possible.

9 ball rules:
7. BALLS ON THE FLOOR
Knocking the cue ball off the playing surface is a foul. Knocking an object
ball on the floor is not a foul. Object balls that get knocked off the playing
surface will be immediately spotted on the foot spot.
 
Billiardsfan said:
I rarely disagree with you, but from the APA rule book:

8 ball rules:
6. BALLS ON THE FLOOR
Knocking the cue ball off the playing surface is a foul. If the 8-ball is knocked
on the floor, it is loss of game. Knocking any other object ball on the floor is
not a foul. Object balls that get knocked off the playing surface will be
spotted on the foot spot. If the foot spot is taken, the ball will be placed on a
line directly behind the foot spot as close to the foot spot as possible.

9 ball rules:
7. BALLS ON THE FLOOR
Knocking the cue ball off the playing surface is a foul. Knocking an object
ball on the floor is not a foul. Object balls that get knocked off the playing
surface will be immediately spotted on the foot spot.
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Let's get back to OP, this is BCA rules not APA...
 
sbpoolleague said:
This happened at our All-Star tourney last night.

Player A breaks and sinks the 8-ball.
Player B spots the 8-ball so that Player A can see how the table is and decide whether or not to re-rack.
When lifting his hand after spotting the 8-ball, Player B brushes the cue ball, which was very close to the foot spot.

Foul? Or should this be an exception to the rule? I couldn't find anything in the BCAPL rule book about disturbing balls while spotting a ball.
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Hmmm, interesting scenario:

Player A made a ball, the 8 ball, so it's still his turn at the table. He needs to decide to play table as is after spotting the 8 ball or rerack?

Why was Player B even touching the balls during the other players turn?

This is a local league for all these players? Reason I ask is this, if so many of these guys are very familiar with one another and therefore some of the formalities are put to the side. This would explain why Player B was spotting the 8 ball.

I don't see any definitive answer but personally, I would not call a foul on Player B. I'm sure the cue ball didn't move more than a 1/8th of an inch anyway....

Good lesson to be learned here, let the shooting player spot up the 8 ball....
 
sbpoolleague said:
Do you play golf? Have you seen that rule book with all its applied rulings? It is a freakin encyclopedia.

I agree that the rules don't need to be changed but having applied rulings is always good.
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I do golf. I do suck at golf. I know the rules enough to have an enjoyable but honest time.

Instead of "finding" the rule, how about you maintain current ones of not allowing the player not shooting at the table? If player B was where he was supposed to be this goes away. We can find all sorts of scenarios where one person isn't doing what they're supposed to and then it causes a problem. We don't need more rules, we need the current ones to be followed.

To clarify: if you start scenario with "player b is doing something their not supposed to be doing (at table, not their turn) and then they do "X". How do I punish foul "X"." Foul "X" is essentially irrelevant, stop the initial problem and foul "X" never happens.
 
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tucson9ball said:
Hmmm, interesting scenario:

Player A made a ball, the 8 ball, so it's still his turn at the table. He needs to decide to play table as is after spotting the 8 ball or rerack?

Why was Player B even touching the balls during the other players turn?

This is a local league for all these players? Reason I ask is this, if so many of these guys are very familiar with one another and therefore some of the formalities are put to the side. This would explain why Player B was spotting the 8 ball.

I don't see any definitive answer but personally, I would not call a foul on Player B. I'm sure the cue ball didn't move more than a 1/8th of an inch anyway....

Good lesson to be learned here, let the shooting player spot up the 8 ball....
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Yes, local league tourney, everyone knows everyone else very well. Player B spotted the ball to be helpful. Neither player really wanted a foul to be called, they were simply asking me what the ruling is so they know for the Nationals in Vegas.
 
jojopiff said:
I do golf. I do suck at golf. I know the rules enough to have an enjoyable but honest time.

Instead of "finding" the rule, how about you maintain current ones of not allowing the player not shooting at the table? If player B was where he was supposed to be this goes away. We can find all sorts of scenarios where one person isn't doing what they're supposed to and then it causes a problem. We don't need more rules, we need the current ones to be followed.

To clarify: if you start scenario with "player b is doing something their not supposed to be doing (at table, not their turn) and then they do "X". How do I punish foul "X"." Foul "X" is essentially irrelevant, stop the initial problem and foul "X" never happens.
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These were all friends, so that's why the non-shooter spotted the ball.

But you make a great point, that the non-shooter should be seated and not involved in the spotting. I told this very thing to both players so that they would be aware of it for larger tourneys like the Nationals.
 
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