BCAPL 8-Ball Rule Question

[GideonF]

But you make a great point, that the non-shooter should be seated and not involved in the spotting. I told this very thing to both players so that they would be aware of it for larger tourneys like the Nationals.

If there is a referee present (whether at the table or available to run over), then I agree with this and neither player should be spotting balls or removing magic racks. Your league players should make sure to use the refs available at nationals.

However, if it is a league (or any other type of match) that does not have a referee present, then someone needs to take the place of the referee to do these tasks. One solution is to designate an available third party to act as a referee (which of course players often do when needing someone to watch a close hit).

But if one is not available, what should you do? Someonehas to take on the task of spotting balls or removing the template. Why should EITHER player be penalized because there is no referee and because they acted in the place of the referee? The analogy to cue ball in hand is not apt, in my view, because even with Michaela Tabb officiating she is not going to place the cue ball for you.

In the other thread, Bob Jewett talks about it being preferable that the non-shooter act as the referee. I think is the better option, as between the two players.

Regards,

Gideon

 

[sbpoolleague]

Ric Jones of the BCAPL got back to me about this question and he says it is a foul on the person spotting the ball if the cue ball is touched.

Moral of the story is to have the ref do it.

 

[GideonF]

Ric Jones of the BCAPL got back to me about this question and he says it is a foul on the person spotting the ball if the cue ball is touched.

Moral of the story is to have the ref do it.

Did he tell you what to do if there is no ref?

Gideon

 

[tucson9ball]

Ric Jones of the BCAPL got back to me about this question and he says it is a foul on the person spotting the ball if the cue ball is touched.

Moral of the story is to have the ref do it.

At Nationals in Vegas, I would agree with Ric. At a local league I would not, just play from where they lie. Of course I'm assuming the cue ball barely moved, would be different if it moves a few inches and bumps another ball.....

 

[Skippy27]

Just noticed who I quoted....dang Skippy....being the rule book lawyer I assumed you were by previous posts you have made I thought you would have known this rule .:grin-square:

First, clearly I was addressing the first point that stated in the APA the cue ball is always live thus it would be probably be considered a foul as a result of him touching it.

Second, I don't play 9 ball in any league so I don't know all the rules. However, if I did play it, I would indeed know the rules as I don't do things half ass.

And from above it looks like you were wrong anyway.

 

[AF pool guy]

Sorry to inform you that you are incorrect again.:wink:



Jumped balls are dropped.





Wanna try again ? :grin:

Sorry, you're going to have to be more specific. I looked up the APA rulebook and in both eight and nine ball the rule for ball on the floor is ball spots, except for the eight in eight ball where you lose.

Now BCAPL is probably different but I'm not the one who introduced APA to the discussion. You can thank lorider for that, and I was replying to his post. Wink, returned.

 

[sbpoolleague]

Sorry, you're going to have to be more specific. I looked up the APA rulebook and in both eight and nine ball the rule for ball on the floor is ball spots, except for the eight in eight ball where you lose.

Now BCAPL is probably different but I'm not the one who introduced APA to the discussion. You can thank lorider for that, and I was replying to his post. Wink, returned.

I was just perusing the APA rule about balls on the floor and saw this tidbit...

If the ball on the floor is one of the shooter's balls, it is spotted when the shooter has pocketed all of his other balls or misses


WHAT!?!?!?! I can forgive some of the goofy APA rules, but what numnutz thought this one up?

 

[SWRLE]

That's a foul.

No it's not.