Happy Birthday Bryan.
May you have many many more happy cuemaking years.
May you have many many more happy cuemaking years.
BCM Cue Review
- Thread starter Tifosi
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I wouldn't worry too much about that slight imperfection in your cue,the cue look great and I believe you have got a good deal on your cue.
On a second note.
Laughing at those who states that uncored ebony play poorly is not very nice.
I am glad that you enjoy your cue and you might think that it is the best hitting cue out there, but if you have the chance to try others cue you might get a different opinon.
I too am getting a BCM cue too, I am sure that's it all gonna turn up nice and pretty.
On a second note.
Laughing at those who states that uncored ebony play poorly is not very nice.
I am glad that you enjoy your cue and you might think that it is the best hitting cue out there, but if you have the chance to try others cue you might get a different opinon.
I too am getting a BCM cue too, I am sure that's it all gonna turn up nice and pretty.
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JoeyInCali said:
Thanks Joey!
ivan: I have indeed tried other custom cues but I'm afraid you misunderstood me. What I am stating is that uncored ebony doesn't hit "poorly" by any stretch of imagination if properly constructed. Sure other woods but feel "better" but IMO the disparity is marginal.
On a side note I had my first mishap with the cue. I don't know what happened but I discovered a fairly deep scratch of about 4mm this morning.
On a side note I had my first mishap with the cue. I don't know what happened but I discovered a fairly deep scratch of about 4mm this morning.
Tifosi said:
Well, I am sure that everyone is entitled to their own's opinon. No worries, if you like the hit than it really doesn't really matter.
About the dings and dangs on the cue, sometime, it's unavoidable. Just be cautious and take good care of it, anything excessive will render you obsesive. The more fearful you are of getting scratches, dings and such on your cue, the less enjoyment you might derive from it. Not to say you should abuse it.
ivan009 said:
I really wish you guys would stop calling that a "Slight imperfection" it's very obvious that the mark you are talking about is just a mark in the wood. It would be like some grain coming through or a light streak in ebony, these things are not imperfections. We are talking and dealing with wood and when the cue maker starts he can't tell what is under the surface, the wood can look perfect until you cut them down a bit and find out what's going on. But when dealing with wood things change and it's nobody's fault. many things can be imperfections but wood grain or lines in the wood is just part of dealing with nature. I think the cue looks great and expecting the cue maker to be able to change the wood is just a bit much. BTW that's a great picture and really shows off that mark in the veneer, my guess is 99% of the people who see that cue will never even notice that mark and would love that cue. Good luck with it.
Jim
Actually, mother nature did a good job on the woods. That small act of nature adds to the character of the cue, it's own very unique natural mark. The figure in the thuya burl is not a normal grain pattern of that wood specie but was caused by the trees natural defensive reaction to bacterial invasion. So is that little mark but unfortunately the tree's defenses lost.Tifosi said:
Just a little story and nothing to do with anybody here. I'm sure that every craftsman that takes pride in what he does goes great lengths to create a great product. I've noticed that a lot of the cuemakers here, specially Bryan, tries his best to be real nice in dealing with, explaining and offering to make things right. But there comes a point where craftsmen have already exhausted every possible solution and explanation. I get real attached to my products that at one time, when I had a difficult and quite unreasonable customer, I just handed him his money back and a magazine that shows a company that sells "perfectly stickered cues". Would you let somebody talk real bad about your child's natural characteristics?
Great cue! Congratulations to you and Bryan.
Edwin Reyes
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JimBo said:
Well, I am not the one who is bother by this. If it was me, I will accept the cue without question. I will place the playability of a cue over looks. But of course, the appearance of the cue is important to me too.
Obviously, Tiflosi feels that it will be better off without the black streak at the verneer. It's his call on that.
As for me, i don't really mean to claim that his cue has any comestic defects or what, the term "Slight imperfection" just pop out when I type the message. That was in no way any disrespect to Mr Bryan's work, I hope that there ain't no misunderstanding on this.
Thank you Jimbo for making this clear, I wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong message.
ivan009==> Likes Bryan's work too and have place an order with him.
Whoa whoa. I feel hostility in this thread. Allow me to clarify that I meant to give an objective review on the cue. That mark exists. Why should I deny its existance? Personally I can accept it since wood is a natural product. What the forumers feel is up to their own discretion.
Tifosi said:
Listen in your own words you said.
"I was quite disappointed to find a little flaw in one of the veneers."
My point to you is that isn't a little flaw and it's nothing to be disappointed about. Now I am going to take the whole cue aspect out of the mix since I feel that you may not have to much experience with them. I'll just take out my Webster’s.
Flaw: a defect; fault; error. to make or become faulty.
Ok now I will repeat what I said already, it's just part of the wood, it's not an error or a defect, it will have nothing to do with the performance or how the cue will hold up, there is no way for a cuemaker to add it or take it away, it's just part of working with wood and it is very acceptable. Now the points being off 1/16 of an inch is a flaw, that is something the cuemaker did and has control over, something in the wood isn't. For you to say you were "quite disappointed" to me is just not something you should be mad or disappointed about, the cost of the cue has nothing to do with it. If I had that cue I wouldn't think twice about that mark no matter how much the cue costs because I understand it's something that is out of the cuemakers control. I don't feel there is any hostility here, just differing opinions.
JIM
I agree with you Jimbo... this guy needs to lighten up. My suggestion is, for him to go to Bryan's shop, and let Bryan show him the steps from raw stock to the cue, let him do it on some scrap (or not so nice) pieces. Then ask him if HE would throw the cue away and start over, because of a little speck...
Thanks,
Jon
Thanks,
Jon
i dont think its a big deal,but the cuemaker does have control over it.. unless he has a seperate quality control dept.
marks or flaws if you want to call them that. like in this cue are what burton spain would sell as a discounted 2nd blank, just like most do with shaft wood.
marks or flaws if you want to call them that. like in this cue are what burton spain would sell as a discounted 2nd blank, just like most do with shaft wood.
merylane said:
You're wrong and that's not true, go look at the picture and tell me again you believe that Burton would have sold that as a second. It's wood and it's grain in the wood to think the customer can request grain in wood to do something special is plane silly, no cue maker with a 1/2 of clue would ever tell a customer that he can control what shape the grain in wood will take after he had to sand off a few thousandths.
Jim
well unless you have the piece in your hands your right, but yes burt would sell defects both natural and craftsmanship as seconds, you probably didnt
deal with burt much so you would not know that.
and yes the cue maker has that control!! you probably think i mean he can control nature witch is rediculous for anyone to assume.
but he does control everything he lets out the door so yes he can reject anything he wants for any reason at any time including natural defects.
and if you think or believe that is a natural defect (i cant be sure from the pic.) then why did the veneer get glued up in the first place? as im sure it would have been noticable in the unglued veneer? dont you think?
deal with burt much so you would not know that.
and yes the cue maker has that control!! you probably think i mean he can control nature witch is rediculous for anyone to assume.
but he does control everything he lets out the door so yes he can reject anything he wants for any reason at any time including natural defects.
and if you think or believe that is a natural defect (i cant be sure from the pic.) then why did the veneer get glued up in the first place? as im sure it would have been noticable in the unglued veneer? dont you think?
Not necessarily.
The sap/defect might not have surfaced up until the last pass.
Turn some maple or sycamore, you'll find out "defects" show up often at the wrong time.