Be careful of counterfeits

First off thanks to Carter1984 and Cuesight.com for the gesture. I may have to take you up on the offer.

Now on to the next question. How do we keep ourselves protected in the future?

I like the raffles, I enjoy taking the chance and have even been lucky enough to win one. In my instance the raffler was a stand up AZer and I got what was offered with no hassles. On the other hand I have seen a few from newer members with no iTrader that seem to jump in the raffle when their stuff does not sell in the Wanted/For Sale section or on fleabay. While those may have been legit and went off without a hitch, I still stayed away. So do we limit who we raffle with? Do we ask newer members to escrow (they send the merchandise to be verified and held at their cost)? Do we ask for better pictures (this would have fixed this whole problem here if we had known)?

I guess the only answer is that we do all of those things in the name of protection. If someone is on the up and up, I do not think they would mind jumping through hoops on the first or second raffle to build up some credibility. It sucks for the guy who wants to do just one and done, but at the same time I work for my money and don't like to throw it away.

One thing I do NOT want to get started is a prejudice thing where we screen someone just because they are from another country trying to do business. There are good and bad EVERYWHERE. So we hold everyone to the same degree.

These are just my thoughts and things I will think about before I enter another raffle.

I think that the simplest way is to send an email to the brand owner and ask them to verify the product. This is how we were alerted to these cases by an AZB member who noticed that the cases didn't seem right.

Also you could ask the community. One thing about AZB is that they rarely leave a stone unturned when they go into investigative mode.

And lastly, ANYTHING that's being sold as NEW from ANYWHERE in SouthEast Asia should automatically be suspect. This is because the bigger brands don't really have solid distribution in Asia yet and it's highly UNLIKELY that anyone is going to be an authorized dealer for a major brand and able to sell from Asia at the same or lower prices than you can get the brand for in the ultra-competitive USA/European markets.

With Ebay and forums like these direct-to-consumer sales from Asia have heated up tremendously. While a lot of what's sold is not counterfeit and is neato gadgets an awful lot of what's sold IS counterfeit and just complete crap.

So the Joss cue, the McDermott cue, the Schon, J.Flowers case, Predator Products all are likely to be counterfeit IF offered to you as a direct buy from Asia. So do your homework and if things check out then buy with confidence. But don't rely on Itrader or Ebay feedback because they don't tell you the whole story. And often, as seen with this situation, a buyer can get away with selling counterfeits for a while before someone catches on.
 
It's like this, using paypal to RECEIVE money for a raffle is against their TOS unless approved by PayPal, which is next to impossible to get that approval.

It is not against PayPal's TOS to PAY for raffle tickets. In other words the person paying cannot know if the raffle is approved by PayPal or not.

As it was explained to me yesterday by the rep, and please understand that NO ONE has the same answer twice concerning raffles, PayPal does not always freeze a person's account when they are caught running a raffle. Sometimes they just issue a warning to not do it anymore.

Anyway no matter what the payer is not penalized by PayPal, with the exception that they WILL NOT issue a reversal for intangible goods.

The exception is in fraudulent raffles and in raffles for counterfeit merchandise. In those situations I was told generally the account is frozen and if the seller does not refund all the tickets then paypal does it automatically after a certain period of time. Again though there must be some exception to this as I can't see PP taking the hit if there is only $50 in an account and $2000 to be refunded and no way to deduct it from the account holder's bank account.

But from what I was told IN THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION, everyone who files a claim through paypal should be eligible for a refund. Whether they will get it or not is unclear. The rep could only tell me so much as he is not allowed to speak about specifics of what exactly was done.


Paypal banned me without warning. I pushed the issue about not getting a warning. They finally told me that since I was coaching people to not say "raffle" when paying and I used the word P@yP@l in my post that I was banned without warning.

FYI

Ray
 
Paypal banned me without warning. I pushed the issue about not getting a warning. They finally told me that since I was coaching people to not say "raffle" when paying and I used the word P@yP@l in my post that I was banned without warning.

FYI

Ray

Like I said when you talk to Paypal reps you rarely get the same answer twice concerning what they do when someone is caught using them for raffle payments.

Personally IF I were going to run raffles and use PP then I would have many many many layers of insulation between my raffle offers and the payments on paypal. Actually no matter how you do it all it takes is a PP rep to jump in your raffles to get the account.

I think I might restrict participants to ONLY be those with 100 posts or more. Or maybe figure out another product to sell like an E-book or something, or in your case a video. So you sell a digital copy of a video and each purchase comes with a chance to win a door prize. I don't know that any of that would really stop PP from banning you if they decided that it was all just a cover for running raffles.

PP is truly an 800lb gorilla in this sector. NO ONE comes close to them for ease of use on the internet in person to person payments from what I can see. And even if some other company were to have a similar system then that company also wouldn't allow raffle payments because raffles are illegal without a license just about everywhere.

For sure I'd want to have disposable accounts just for raffles because I wouldn't want to lose my main account.

With a little google searching you can find some guides on how to get paypal accounts that are supposedly protected somehow from getting frozen.

I have to say that I have always had pretty a pretty good relationship with Paypal and have had the same account for ten years. I have sort of figured out how to talk to them and the few issues I have ever had were resolved pretty quickly. BUT it's really scary to me to have a lot of money tied up in a PP account that can be frozen at any time.

The biggest thing you need to remember about PP is that their business is driven by algorithms and programming. They have a lot of employees but those employees are not spending their time physically looking for rule breakers. The computers are doing that. They algorithms are set up to hit on certain keywords and patterns that indicate activity that is against PP's TOS and whatever looks like fraud. Then depending on the the situation maybe a human will look at it.

Just like google has pretty much every permutation of the english language in it's databases by now I'd guess that PP has every possible way to write "raffle" and related euphemisms. So it really would take some effort and diligence to stay ahead of them on this.

Personally I see nothing wrong with running raffles. Especially inside of a tight community. But if you're going to use PP then you are dancing on the knife's edge.
 
Yeah TAS promised to send me a BK2 to make this right. Have not heard from him since and received nothing. I may file a police report here.
 
Bump back to the top so people here dont forget what a scum bag you really are tasaddicts.

:angry::angry::angry::angry:
 
I received my claim from PP last few days. Hope it's the same for others who participated. I filed a dispute earlier this month.
 
L.C.Hui

I did the same as you, elevated my claim to a dispute and today P@yP@l issued me a refund of my costs I paid to tasaddicts. I urge everyone who was ripped off with these counterfeit raffles to post a dispute with P@yP@l as not receiving authentic goods but fakes.

Headmuses

P.S. during the entire claim and dispute process, tasaddicts did not respond or reply, ever.
 
L.C.Hui

I did the same as you, elevated my claim to a dispute and today P@yP@l issued me a refund of my costs I paid to tasaddicts. I urge everyone who was ripped off with these counterfeit raffles to post a dispute with P@yP@l as not receiving authentic goods but fakes.

Headmuses

P.S. during the entire claim and dispute process, tasaddicts did not respond or reply, ever.


If you used a Credit Card why not just go to your Credit Card Company, and File A Dispute Also.
 
L.C.Hui

I did the same as you, elevated my claim to a dispute and today P@yP@l issued me a refund of my costs I paid to tasaddicts. I urge everyone who was ripped off with these counterfeit raffles to post a dispute with P@yP@l as not receiving authentic goods but fakes.

Headmuses

P.S. during the entire claim and dispute process, tasaddicts did not respond or reply, ever.

The same with mine. He did not respond to anything. Im glad its over.
 
The same with mine. He did not respond to anything. Im glad its over.


Me too L.C.Hui....I am glad it is over for me...but hopefully others in this thread that were "ripped" off by tasaddicts will take similar actions and recover thier money.
 
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