Because I can!!

Give us the right way? Grady please enlighten us !

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Grady said:
Look, I don't want an invitation to the 14.1. I just want it understood that invitationals are wrong. There are now a few hundred qualified straight pool players and some older gentlemen such as myself who could play. I tried to give an example at another sport to show how ludicrous it is to have an unqualified person having anything to do with selection of players.
Somebody said that I don't thank the people who stand up for me. Well, all I can say about that is that you haven't read many of my posts. Let's address the "whining". If at 64 years old, after devoting my life to a sport I love and then being snubbed by the Charlie Williams' and the Randys of the billiard community is whining , I'm glad that at least one person has the cojones to do that. You should see some of the e-mail I've received from very respectable people about those two, especially Charlie.
I am not going to try to defend myself further on this forum. It's useless.
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Grady, Please post in a positive way how this 14.1 tournament should have been done.
Expose them to a free how to, so maybe they will correct their mistakes,.

PS.Grady when was 14.1 championship last taken to this level in our country? Duh
 
Grady said:
Look, I don't want an invitation to the 14.1. I just want it understood that invitationals are wrong. There are now a few hundred qualified straight pool players and some older gentlemen such as myself who could play. I tried to give an example at another sport to show how ludicrous it is to have an unqualified person having anything to do with selection of players.
Somebody said that I don't thank the people who stand up for me. Well, all I can say about that is that you haven't read many of my posts. Let's address the "whining". If at 64 years old, after devoting my life to a sport I love and then being snubbed by the Charlie Williams' and the Randys of the billiard community is whining , I'm glad that at least one person has the cojones to do that. You should see some of the e-mail I've received from very respectable people about those two, especially Charlie.
I am not going to try to defend myself further on this forum. It's useless.
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Grady,
You may be 64, but you sound like you are 6 or 4. This really is childish. If I put up the money for a tournament and want it to be an invitational, then by all means, I am going to pick and choose whomever I want to play in "my" tournament. If I don't like someone then no, I probably won't invite them. Whatever his reasons for not inviting you, it is his tournament and you starting 47 threads about it is not going to change his or Charlie's minds. In fact, you have done the exact opposite and garnered yourself an irreverseable perma-ban on any of their tourneys. Its kind of like in grade school when the popular kids hand out birthday party invites and a few people get left out. They are disappointed, but really how can you make everyone happy?
 
Once again, all you had to do was qualify. If you couldn't qualify, then why are you complaining. Just because you played great once upon a time doesnt mean you should get a free pass. That would be like inviting Dr. J to play in a One on One World Championship and not inviting Lebron James. I respect everything you have done for the game but you obviously pissed in these guys cheerios and they won't invite you. You should have qualified and proved your point...all you have been proving is that you can whine with the best of em.

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My opinion...

It's Randy or whomevers tournament...they can call it what they want and can run it however they want inviting whomever they want. It is there tournament. Don't like it, don't attend it or comment on it. My mother taught me to keep my mouth shut when I didn't have something nice to say.

Also, as of late as I age myself, I notice more and more that the older pool players try to hoard knowlegde more than share it. They believe in this "pay for lessons" mentality. They believe in going to the school of hard knocks to get any bit of knowledge out of the game from them. I think that thinking is of the past...and I pray that when they die that way of thinking dies with them. We live in the information age. We are men and women who are striving to do better in everything we do. This sport for many is just a hobby, but yet a hobby many of us take very seriously. We are not looking to hoard knowledge, but to share knowledge. I believe we want everyone to play like Efren, to be honest with you, in hopes then that pool will be escaladed up as a "real" sport with no need for the gambling and dirty side. We want what poker has captured. Recognition and notoriety will NOT be acheived until the games knowledge is spread and shared.

In my twenty plus years of playing the game, I come off a weekend in which I learned more in five hours than I have learned in all those twenty plus years combined. In one lesson, I saw my flaws and faults in my game...and plan on taking steps to correct them. Why? Because one person took the time to share his knowledge with me. Period. Not to criticize or belittle, but to share and teach.

I truly wish Mr. Matthews would consider this way of thinking as he takes on the huge challenge of starting his own pool room. I know first hand from his tapes that he is a wonderful teacher with a mind overflowing with pool knowledge. I would hope that he would sieze this opportunity with his own room to spread this knowledge further.

Thank you
 
Grady said:
Look, I don't want an invitation to the 14.1. I just want it understood that invitationals are wrong. There are now a few hundred qualified straight pool players and some older gentlemen such as myself who could play. I tried to give an example at another sport to show how ludicrous it is to have an unqualified person having anything to do with selection of players.
Somebody said that I don't thank the people who stand up for me. Well, all I can say about that is that you haven't read many of my posts. Let's address the "whining". If at 64 years old, after devoting my life to a sport I love and then being snubbed by the Charlie Williams' and the Randys of the billiard community is whining , I'm glad that at least one person has the cojones to do that. You should see some of the e-mail I've received from very respectable people about those two, especially Charlie.
I am not going to try to defend myself further on this forum. It's useless.
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You're only 64? Jeez, you looked 64 in the Color of Money...

Along the lines of Grady's post.... I don't have muc of an opinion... I do agree that there are some people who are not on the list that are more qualified then those who are on it. However, it's the wish of the guy putting the tournament on to have the listed players there. It's his money, his tournament. If he wanted you in it, you would have been invited. It's not about qualifications, just seems to be about who he wanted in the tournament. Which IMO is fine, like I said, it's his money.
 
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Icon of Sin said:
You're only 64? Jeez, you looked 64 in the Color of Money...

Along the lines of Grady's post.... I don't have muc of an opinion... I do agree that there are some people who are not on the list that are more qualified then those who are on it. However, it's the wish of the guy putting the tournament on to have the listed players there. It's his money, his tournament. If he wanted you in it, you would have been invited. It's not about qualifications, just seems to be about who he wanted in the tournament. Which IMO is fine, like I said, it's his money.
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thats a great attitude there bud! talk about respect???? who cares how old he looks??? its just amazing how clueless some people can be:rolleyes:
 
dimes33 said:
thats a great attitude there bud! talk about respect???? who cares how old he looks??? its just amazing how clueless some people can be:rolleyes:
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It is equally amazing how some people cant tell a joke when they see one...

Lighten up a bit
 
Just curious as my memory isn't what it used to be?

Can anybody remember how many of the IPT selected members complained about the way KT hand picked his 150? I mean here was a guy who came up with the cash, picked his own players and his mates and created "world" and "national" championships!


Can somebody provide to links of posts where Grady and JAM expressed these sentiments? If they despise invited (WPA sanctioned events btw) now surely they hated none sanctioned events even more, no?

I know they got invited to those events but surely their principles would be the same, they didn't sell out did they? :confused:
 
smokeandapancak said:
It is equally amazing how some people cant tell a joke when they see one...

Lighten up a bit
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oh i can take a joke! i was also taught to respect my elders.obviously by looking at your avatar thats not a lesson learned in germany:confused:
 
TheOne said:
Just curious as my memory isn't what it used to be?

Can anybody remember how many of the IPT selected members complained about the way KT hand picked his 150? I mean here was a guy who came up with the cash, picked his own players and his mates and created "world" and "national" championships!


Can somebody provide to links of posts where Grady and JAM expressed these sentiments? If they despise invited (WPA sanctioned events btw) now surely they hated none sanctioned events even more, no?

I know they got invited to those events but surely their principles would be the same, they didn't sell out did they? :confused:
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It's like the old joke:
"What's the difference between a s.lut and a b.itch?"
"The s.lut screws everyone. The b.itch screws everyone except you."
 
dimes33 said:
oh i can take a joke! i was also taught to respect my elders.obviously by looking at your avatar thats not a lesson learned in germany:confused:
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Respect is earned , not just given by default based on age.... I respect the accomplishments of GM..but as far as this whole RG issue goes..well he lost some points on this one.............

BTW, I learned that there in good ole GA...................
 
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What no links, come on guys given the number of threads started *****ING about this in the last few weeks there must be hundreds in the IPT section! Didn't you guys have the same principles then, those promised millions didn't affect your morals now did it?

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TheOne said:
Just curious as my memory isn't what it used to be?

Can anybody remember how many of the IPT selected members complained about the way KT hand picked his 150? I mean here was a guy who came up with the cash, picked his own players and his mates and created "world" and "national" championships!


Can somebody provide to links of posts where Grady and JAM expressed these sentiments? If they despise invited (WPA sanctioned events btw) now surely they hated none sanctioned events even more, no?

I know they got invited to those events but surely their principles would be the same, they didn't sell out did they? :confused:
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You want to compare the IPT tour to one 14.1 "world" invitational tournament?

WPA-sanctioned, indeed, with the caveat that those in control invited who they desired, with a special emphasis on the New York State region.

The IPT was not WPA-sanctioned, and for good reason.

Hopefully, with some Americans on the board of the WPA today, like Fran Crimi and this Smith guy, some equity can be established, to include the United States in their portfolio of events. The WPA did a good job of promoting pool in Europe, but didn't do squat for the U.S. that I could see.

If you are, once again, attempting to flame me, you'll have to do a lot better than this kind of monkey chatter.

JAM
 
I think you make a quality point TheOne. Plus, I can understand why the Americans are not invited to their tournaments. There is a good reason why we are hated in most other parts of the world and if you don't believe it, then you need to crawl out from under your 1950's rock.
 
I think you make a quality point TheOne. Plus, I can understand why the Americans are not invited to their tournaments. There is a good reason why we are hated in most other parts of the world and if you don't believe it, then you need to crawl out from under your 1950's rock.
 
JAM said:
You want to compare the IPT tour to one 14.1 "world" invitational tournament?

WPA-sanctioned, indeed, with the caveat that those in control invited who they desired, with a special emphasis on the New York State region.

The IPT was not WPA-sanctioned, and for good reason.

Hopefully, with some Americans on the board of the WPA today, like Fran Crimi and this Smith guy, some equity can be established, to include the United States in their portfolio of events. The WPA did a good job of promoting pool in Europe, but didn't do squat for the U.S. that I could see.

If you are, once again, attempting to flame me, you'll have to do a lot better than this kind of monkey chatter.

JAM
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JAM,
FWIW, the WPA site has a downloadable file that explains their sanctioning guidelines. I am pretty sure that the people involved with Randy's event followed that guide strictly or the WPA would not have sanctioned the event. I believe that the host country does get more entries in the field (I'm not sure about that, someone correct me PLEASE if I am wrong about that) - however as a 14.1 player, I can say that the field was extremely well represented by the best straight pool players in the world. The selection committee did the best they could to select the participants. I believe that there were some slots opened by non-returning particpants from the year before (prior engagements - I believe Efren was not able to attend this year, Rempe retired, etc). Those slots had to be filled and they were filled in accordance with the WPA guidelines.

Fran Crimi will do an excellent job. She is very honest and very thorough, and very dedicated to the game of pool. The large problem here in the US is that there is no viable connection between the professional game and the BCA - which is the organization that represents us in the WPA. Until that problem is solved (internally) then the pros in the U.S. will contnually be frustrated by this situation. Hopefully this will change for the better in the future. This goes back to my constant recommednation of starting a separate players organization, separate from the UPA, the BCA, and all organizations. This way the players have representation in matters such as this. IMO, that is the professional approach.
 
bomber said:
I think you make a quality point TheOne. Plus, I can understand why the Americans are not invited to their tournaments. There is a good reason why we are hated in most other parts of the world and if you don't believe it, then you need to crawl out from under your 1950's rock.
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There's also good reason why the United States provides relief to countries around the world, while other countries just sit back and watch, never contributing one dime.

And if you think we're hated in these countries that we provide relief to, then you need to quit weaving baskets and see what's happening in the world today.

God bless America, home of the brave, land of the free.

JAM
 
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That is so funny...perhaps you might want to think about the opinions of a well read, college educated, Political Science teacher. Perhaps you should step out into reality and do a bit of reading yourself...I suggest, as your first read, Friedmans "The World is Flat." That would be a hell of a start for you.

PS: Why don't you ask the Iraqi's how they feel about our relief.

PSS: Why don't you ask the people of New Orleans about our relief...thats a joke...you probably won't get it though.
 
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