Bert Kinister instructional Tapes?
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cbi1000 said:
Depends what you're looking to improve. Some are real good...others not so good.
cbi1000 said:
For kicking and banking, Dr.Cues(Foundation for Banking and Kicking, Volumes 1,2 and 3) and Grady Mathews vids are absolutley the best. Bugs Rucker's bankshot videos get into some real high end banking.
Kinister has some great drills. Among the best is the 60 minute workout and the star patterns.The mighty X and advanced fundamentals are apparently great for stroke development.
Other than that:
Like the Beatles, Bert has his hits and a lot of filler.
RJ
These tapes were recorded on a small barbox table ( ugh!, is that pool?).
So, banking and kicking won't help you there.
For big table drills, I think the Monk and Joe Tucker's tapes might be better.
So, banking and kicking won't help you there.
For big table drills, I think the Monk and Joe Tucker's tapes might be better.
All the ones I saw.cbi1000 said:
The workout, runout and the 6-pointed star.
Not all tapes on BARBOX
Bert Kinister did the first few tapes on a bar box. I think maybe tapes 5 or maybe 9 and higher are all on 9 fot tables. He does improve the studio as the series goes along. I have all his tapes and the drills are great. They make practicing challenging enough to keep you interested in beating the drills.
The tapes that do the 6 and 9 pointed star are awsome for using the rails to manuver the table.
Tapes 11 and 12 are killer for stroke building.
Tape 19, the deflection tape is also great.
The angle series is good and also the short mid and long game are great.
Bert Kinister did the first few tapes on a bar box. I think maybe tapes 5 or maybe 9 and higher are all on 9 fot tables. He does improve the studio as the series goes along. I have all his tapes and the drills are great. They make practicing challenging enough to keep you interested in beating the drills.
The tapes that do the 6 and 9 pointed star are awsome for using the rails to manuver the table.
Tapes 11 and 12 are killer for stroke building.
Tape 19, the deflection tape is also great.
The angle series is good and also the short mid and long game are great.
cbi1000 said:
For Kicking:
Do a search here at AZ billiard's for "Kicking Academy" by Deadaim. Look for parts 1-8 inclusive.Totally awesome info and diagrams. Much of it he borrowed from the grady mathews and dr. Cue vids I was talking about.Dr. Cue explains the systems you will see posted, however, in much more depth.
As far as Berk Kinister using a small table for his drills, I don't think it matters all that much. The same principals apply and every table, no matter the size is twice as long as it is as wide,so the angles are virtually the same.
RJ
recoveryjones said:
Angles, smangles. No matter the table size, one needs to adapt to the table conditions: speed of cloth, rail condition, balls used, etc...
His 60 minute workout is great, so is the Advanced Fundamentals tape. While I have the Mighty X tape, IMHO it's not as good as I thought it would be. However, for building a stroke it's not too bad, although I think the Advanced Fundamentals tape is better.
I don't have any of his other tapes, although I hear the 6 pointed star patterns is quite good.
Flex
Flex said:
i agree with pretty much what has been written here. however, not sure which one it was, but one of his tapes on Advance Shotmaking/Position Drills was Bert and Neils Feijen shooting the same shot over and over and over and over and over.
i thought that was kind of ridiculous myself. but by and large, his tapes are very good.
DCP
i thought that was kind of ridiculous myself. but by and large, his tapes are very good.
DCP
Bert
All of his tapes are good and can help you on some level. If you learn one thing from a tape it is worth the price of the lesson. I have a complete collection and have seen him for private lessons. He is the real deal. I think he has one tape coming out that is $100. I have seen some of the stuff on it in person from him and it is pretty crazy. Stuff that you would not believe. The guy is an excellent bank pool player as well.
Pool knowledge comes cheaper than most other disciplines. Try getting a $30 golf lesson that will really dramatically improve your game.
The other thing I have noticed is that most of the tapes function on more than one level. While you may know where the balls go for a drill you have to have his explanation of why for you to get it. Almost all of his tape have a separate agenda for you to learn.
All of his tapes are good and can help you on some level. If you learn one thing from a tape it is worth the price of the lesson. I have a complete collection and have seen him for private lessons. He is the real deal. I think he has one tape coming out that is $100. I have seen some of the stuff on it in person from him and it is pretty crazy. Stuff that you would not believe. The guy is an excellent bank pool player as well.
Pool knowledge comes cheaper than most other disciplines. Try getting a $30 golf lesson that will really dramatically improve your game.
The other thing I have noticed is that most of the tapes function on more than one level. While you may know where the balls go for a drill you have to have his explanation of why for you to get it. Almost all of his tape have a separate agenda for you to learn.
I'm not sure I agree that "all of his tapes are good". Like someone else mentioned, some of his tapes are virtually 45-60 minutes of him demonstrating the same shot over and over. Not a good value for the money. Overall, I'd still highly recommend several Kinister videos, though! There's some real wisdom in there.
I got the whole set in DVD format, and am working my way through them.
The DVDs are nothing more than a dump of the video, with no indexing etc.
And the "production values" (clarity, lighting, multi-cameras, etc) are extremely low, but...
the bottom line is that Bert K. knows his stuff, and can demonstrate it, and he comes across as a good teacher. I figure it's money well spent. Go for it!
One more thing: the DVDs would not play on my DVD player, because it would not play the DVD-RW format, so I had to get a new DVD player that would handle these discs, but again: don't sweat the small stuff. His stuff is GOLD!
The DVDs are nothing more than a dump of the video, with no indexing etc.
And the "production values" (clarity, lighting, multi-cameras, etc) are extremely low, but...
the bottom line is that Bert K. knows his stuff, and can demonstrate it, and he comes across as a good teacher. I figure it's money well spent. Go for it!
One more thing: the DVDs would not play on my DVD player, because it would not play the DVD-RW format, so I had to get a new DVD player that would handle these discs, but again: don't sweat the small stuff. His stuff is GOLD!
Hi,
RecoveryJones mentioned that I borrowed some of the kicking series from Grady, I purposely did not mention any of Grady's Kicking methods because he sells this info on his tapes and I didn't think it ethical to mention them; I may have mentioned Dr Cue's "Plus Two" system but am not sure, and I know I didn't mention any of Bert's stuff.
All the "systems" I mentioned are Three Cushion Billiard systems I've learned over the years, I just took the systems that were applicable to 9 Ball and put them on the site for anyone who wanted to improve their 9 Ball kicking game.
Most of the stuff I mentioned you probably will not find on the web, if you purchase many of the Three Cushion Billiard books that are out there I'm sure you can find them in one form or another in those publications.
Just wanted to clear that up in case Grady, Dr. Cue, or Bert happen to come upon this post.
I'm also glad that people are getting some use out of those kicking posts, I'm sure the posts have improved many player's games that lacked kicking skills.
JR
RecoveryJones mentioned that I borrowed some of the kicking series from Grady, I purposely did not mention any of Grady's Kicking methods because he sells this info on his tapes and I didn't think it ethical to mention them; I may have mentioned Dr Cue's "Plus Two" system but am not sure, and I know I didn't mention any of Bert's stuff.
All the "systems" I mentioned are Three Cushion Billiard systems I've learned over the years, I just took the systems that were applicable to 9 Ball and put them on the site for anyone who wanted to improve their 9 Ball kicking game.
Most of the stuff I mentioned you probably will not find on the web, if you purchase many of the Three Cushion Billiard books that are out there I'm sure you can find them in one form or another in those publications.
Just wanted to clear that up in case Grady, Dr. Cue, or Bert happen to come upon this post.
I'm also glad that people are getting some use out of those kicking posts, I'm sure the posts have improved many player's games that lacked kicking skills.
JR