Jay,
Could you provide more details about Yang's games. Maybe a match with a famous player? Many people told me the same as you just did but they did not have much info to share.
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Jay,
Could you provide more details about Yang's games. Maybe a match with a famous player? Many people told me the same as you just did but they did not have much info to share.
I agree
It is by far the most amazing play I have seen. Earl was on cruise control on day 2 and it was very impressive to see. For some reason on day 3 it seemed like he was just tired of playing.
Earl isn't taking his fall from grace like a champion, however, I think he more than proved himself on the table. He has the US Open and World titles as proof. In current form, he acts like one of the guys from grumpy old men, some time with good reason. I watched him kick ass at the Open this year until someone in the crowd told him to shut it and shoot.
I would like to see him catch a mental gear, dominate for a year or two, then retire with a smile as the best 9 ball player ever!!!
I would like to see him catch a mental gear, dominate for a year or two, then retire with a smile as the best 9 ball player ever!!!
Nah man!....I heard an interview with Efren and he was asked who his toughest opponent was, and he said Sigel! I think it was on an accu-stats? or maybe the banks vid of Efren v Sigel maybe?
G.
It's not easy to describe someone's game but I'll try. First of all Yang is a competitor, showing a singular determination to win, especially in a money match. He seems to elevate his game when there is big money on the line. He's always cool, never flustered.
He is a consummate professional, much like Johnny or Nick, examining the shot from every angle and not rushing any shots. His execution is FLAWLESS when he finally shoots. Reminds me a little of how Sigel used to shake his head at a difficult shot and then hit it perfectly.
What sets Yang apart is his ability to shoot extremely difficult shots, where making the ball and playing position are both very, very hard to do. He consistently makes these shots and continues his run. NO ONE playing pool today can consistently pull off the shots that Yang makes on a regular basis. I would go so far as to say that most good players would not even attempt the same shot, opting instead for a safety. Yang can cut in a long shot, thread the needle with the cue ball, and play perfect speed to get on the next ball. All three things requiring perfect execution. It's amazing when you see him execute shots like this flawlessly, over and over.
This one thing alone puts Yang a cut above, and has to be demoralizing for his opponents when they see him making shots and getting out from spots that they know they couldn't. Bottom line, he runs out racks where there appears to be no way to run out. After you watch this type of shooting for an hour or two, you will also be a believer. I have. I have seen him make great players get weak, Dennis being one of the them.
Yang is the most dangerous player today IMO when it comes to running out a hard rack of 9-Ball or Ten Ball. Of course, he can also play a jam up safe if that is the best option. And he glides effortlessly through the more easy racks. After watching him put away rack after rack, no matter how hard, and not missing anything he shoots at, you walk away a believer like me.
This guy comes up with the most God awful good shots when he must. I've seen him totally stymied where there is no logical shot that won't sell out the game. He comes with a fantastic stiffed cross corner bank that only a top bank pool player could make, and now has to make another tough cross side bank to get in line for the nest ball. He makes these two banks and runs out the remaining balls. My mouth was agape. And there was a glum expression on the face of his opponent. That about sums it up.
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Earl has the highest gear of all time. But everything has to be just right,
Buddy and JA are more consitant, but that wasnt the question.
Earl Vs Seigal both playing 9 ball heads up with both playing in their highest gear, Mike would get chopped up. Mike is a better all around player.
I have asked this question myself to a few top pro's-Ralf agrees that Earl has the highest gear. We were sweating a match this past May and I asked him hi opinion.
Lassiter was so long ago and with slow cloth, big pockets, etc. that it makes it hard to compair
Buddy and JA are more consitant, but that wasnt the question.
Earl Vs Seigal both playing 9 ball heads up with both playing in their highest gear, Mike would get chopped up. Mike is a better all around player.
I have asked this question myself to a few top pro's-Ralf agrees that Earl has the highest gear. We were sweating a match this past May and I asked him hi opinion.
Lassiter was so long ago and with slow cloth, big pockets, etc. that it makes it hard to compair
hey jay, are any of Yang's matches on Youtube or another site? Perhaps you know of one that specifically demonsrates these traites you've mentioned. There's nothing I enjoy more than watch really great pool being played in a way that makes it look trivial 
I liked Louie, but he just doesn't belong in a list of the best 9-ball players. He was a great player, who had his moments, but when the won the US Open, most of the players felt he'd out run the nuts. Louie's biggest accomplishment was that he probably broke more stakehorses than any other player. He was a great guy and a lot of fun to be around, but not one of the best players of all times! JMHO
hey jay, are any of Yang's matches on Youtube or another site? Perhaps you know of one that specifically demonsrates these traites you've mentioned. There's nothing I enjoy more than watch really great pool being played in a way that makes it look trivial
I don't know. I'm not big on Youtube. Maybe someone else knows this.
Yang matches online
Go to this site http://www.clubcapo.tv/en/?ts=1263663359
It was the site for the World 10 Ball stream
I believe they have a free 30 day membership thing going on right now.
Anyway they have a race to 50 challenge match full braodcast, commentated in english between Yang and Orcullo that is 13 hours long if you watch the whole thing, you get a pretty good idea of how well he plays during that match.
I watched it in November when I bought the WTBC stream there are a couple of other long challenge matches on the site as well, I think if you do have to pay it is a one time fee of $9.95 US.....i'm a member.
Enjoy,
Dave
hey jay, are any of Yang's matches on Youtube or another site? Perhaps you know of one that specifically demonsrates these traites you've mentioned. There's nothing I enjoy more than watch really great pool being played in a way that makes it look trivial
Go to this site http://www.clubcapo.tv/en/?ts=1263663359
It was the site for the World 10 Ball stream
I believe they have a free 30 day membership thing going on right now.
Anyway they have a race to 50 challenge match full braodcast, commentated in english between Yang and Orcullo that is 13 hours long if you watch the whole thing, you get a pretty good idea of how well he plays during that match.
I watched it in November when I bought the WTBC stream there are a couple of other long challenge matches on the site as well, I think if you do have to pay it is a one time fee of $9.95 US.....i'm a member.
Enjoy,
Dave
Wow...
Parica ahead of Buddy? I didn't expect that.
In fairness, I wasn't following pool when Jose first came over, and I've only seen him in tournament settings when he was past his prime. Still, Jay, I'm surprised that you would put him above both Buddy and Sigel.
P.S. Absolutely have to agree that Earl's top gear is unparalleled.
Parica ahead of Buddy? I didn't expect that.
In fairness, I wasn't following pool when Jose first came over, and I've only seen him in tournament settings when he was past his prime. Still, Jay, I'm surprised that you would put him above both Buddy and Sigel.
P.S. Absolutely have to agree that Earl's top gear is unparalleled.
I saw it so so many times in practice as well as in the tourneys. He could cut in a long shot, which is about more 3/4 of the table, more than 9/10 of the time.
hey jay, are any of Yang's matches on Youtube or another site? Perhaps you know of one that specifically demonsrates these traites you've mentioned. There's nothing I enjoy more than watch really great pool being played in a way that makes it look trivial
Here you go, maybe not all the things that Jay mentioned but just to have some ideas about Yang
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPDTF4f1Oyk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfPJ-XRNJ8A&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFkixCJOPdA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgPdI5FbTGI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzUNxFRudEo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BucwbKox60s
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Efren did say that Sigel was his toughest opponent ever. He added that, "he never misses!"
hey jay, are any of Yang's matches on Youtube or another site? Perhaps you know of one that specifically demonsrates these traites you've mentioned. There's nothing I enjoy more than watch really great pool being played in a way that makes it look trivial
Hill-hill rack versus Po-Cheng Kuo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BucwbKox60s&NR=1
Note: I see this was already posted above in the last link from haminh.
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Since you said 'ever', the nod goes to Luther Lassiter, hands down.
if it's not sigel it's wimpy..... but it's one of those 2. i dont think any of the players mentioned in this thread had a string like sigel in the 80's, i really dont-- and im strictly talking about quality of pool played, not necessarily titles. screw talent, they all have truckloads. that guy would NOT miss in crucial spots. and when he was in impossible spots he would do some of the smartest 9 ball shots i have ever seen and yes luck a ball in. truly amazing because he's one of the only ones ive ever seen who KNEW that taking a role of the dice was his best chance to win (when in a tough spot). I THINK THE GREATEST TESTAMENT I HAVE EVER HEARD TO SIGEL WAS THE FACT THAT OTHER PROS ALWAYS CALL HIM LUCKY-- IF YOU HAVE HALF A BRAIN, YOU KNOW NOBODY IS LUCKY OVER A CAREER, SO ALL THOSE PROS SAYING THAT YOU KNOW IT MEANS SOMETHING SPECIAL-- THE GUY HAD WHAT OTHERS DID NOT.
he just had amazing instincts, and they paid off so many times. by instinct and will to win i give it to sigel almost hands down, but gotta rate wimpy right there too.
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Yang????
Let's see a a couple world titles first before crowning him, I highly highly doubt he could get by Mika at the moment,
Let's see a a couple world titles first before crowning him, I highly highly doubt he could get by Mika at the moment,
It's close but I am only going by what I saw. Parica is the one guy from the PI who could have brought down Yang when he was at his best. He's the best I ever saw for the cash. Fearless with super skills. And relentless focus and concentration. Never saw him hit a ball bad for the cheese. NEVER!
In tournament play, Sigel was right there with Earl, but if they both played their best, Earl had a higher gear. Wimpy was another generation (thank you Chris B.) and he didn't have to deal with players like Buddy, Sigel, Earl and Parica. Not that the other top guys back then weren't terrific players, but it's hard to imagine any 9-Ball player from that generation who could match the guys I just named. Maybe Ed Kelly, and maybe guys like Searcy, Richie, Bernie Schwartz, Cardone, W. Crane and Greg Stevens for the cash. Earl unquestionably had a higher tournament speed than Luther and Parica just played a stronger overall game IMO. Not at 14.1 but at just about any other game.
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Mike Sigel
Mike Sigel is giving lessons and exhibitions in Maryland/Virginia at the end of January at 3 differnt locations. I am taking a 6 hour 14.1 group lesson at Big Daddy's in Glen Burnie, MD...80 bucks...great price to work with Mike for 6 hours!!!
Mike Sigel is giving lessons and exhibitions in Maryland/Virginia at the end of January at 3 differnt locations. I am taking a 6 hour 14.1 group lesson at Big Daddy's in Glen Burnie, MD...80 bucks...great price to work with Mike for 6 hours!!!
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