Best Pool BREAK SHOTS of All Time in 9-ball, 10-ball, and 8-ball

bb9ball said:
Your diagram of Corey's pattern for 8-ball racking has him breaking from the wrong side.
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Thank you for pointing this out. Unfortunately, YouTube doesn't let you edit a posted video, but I've added the following to the video description and pinned comment on YouTube:

CORRECTION: - The 8-ball 2nd-ball break pattern racking diagram at the 6m52s point shows the rack upside down. Here's the corrected illustration: https://billiards.colostate.edu/images/break_8-ball_pattern-rack.jpg

Here's the new image:

break_8-ball_pattern-rack.jpg
 
bb9ball said:
And, a cut break by Max Lechner that I think we will see more players try to copy when the 2 is racked in the back of the rack. I've never heard a reason for it and I hope it goes away after this.
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Thank you for posting this. That would have been a good one to include in my video, but I wasn't aware of it. I've added it to the 9-ball break resource page.

Thanks again for your excellent post,
Dave
 
dr_dave said:
Do you guys think there are other break shot examples I should have included in my video? If so, please share links. Maybe something from Larry Nevel, or Charlie "Hillbilly" Bryant, or Johnny Archer, or others? Lets see some links to other great break shot examples. Please include time-stamp markers with the links pointing straight to the breaks of interest.
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Anybody else have any other good pro break shot examples (with timestamp video links) to share (preferably with CB control and lots of balls pocketed)?
 
dr_dave said:
I wonder why he didn't hit it softer with less draw like Corey to leave a straighter shot at the 1, with the 1 more in front of the side pocket. Regardless, thank you for posting it. I've added it as another example to the pattern-racking resource page.
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I didn't remember Ronnie's break being a soft break, I just remembered him drawing for shape on the 1 ball. I probably hadn't seen the 3 point rule yet and definitely not Corey's softer break. I had wondered a few times why no one had tried it when their break wasn't working. After viewing it again, now I know why.

I suspect the reason he wasn't breaking softer was because Corey hadn't shown that break yet. I remember hearing that his soft break causing a bit of a controversy back in 2001, but I don't know what he actually did back then.
 
dr_dave said:
Thank you for posting this. That would have been a good one to include in my video, but I wasn't aware of it. I've added it to the 9-ball break resource page.

Thanks again for your excellent post,
Dave
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Maybe, if you weren't spending so much time on these videos you keep ... eh, never mind.

I am glad to have added to your collection of knowledge. We can't expect you to have seen everything.

Looking forward to your next one.
 
bb9ball said:
I didn't remember Ronnie's break being a soft break, I just remembered him drawing for shape on the 1 ball. I probably hadn't seen the 3 point rule yet and definitely not Corey's softer break. I had wondered a few times why no one had tried it when their break wasn't working. After viewing it again, now I know why.

I suspect the reason he wasn't breaking softer was because Corey hadn't shown that break yet. I remember hearing that his soft break causing a bit of a controversy back in 2001, but I don't know what he actually did back then.
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wasn't corey's soft break like 5-6 years before the alcano win?
 
dr_dave said:
I wonder why he didn't hit it softer with less draw like Corey to leave a straighter shot at the 1, with the 1 more in front of the side pocket. Regardless, thank you for posting it. I've added it as another example to the pattern-racking resource page.
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bb9ball said:
I didn't remember Ronnie's break being a soft break, I just remembered him drawing for shape on the 1 ball.
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Ronnie's break was definitely a "soft break." Not one ball went above the side pockets!

With less draw, it seems like he might have had a better chance to get on the 1 in the side more consistently. But hindsight is always 20/20.
 
skogstokig said:
wasn't corey's soft break like 5-6 years before the alcano win?
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I am fairly certain that Corey's soft break started in 2001 during his US Open win or at least it lead to rules to eliminate it. I haven't been able to find any videos to see how he was soft breaking then.

My point was maybe it was different then and has evolved into what Dr. Dave showed in his video that I think was from 2016.
 
bb9ball said:
I am fairly certain that Corey's soft break started in 2001 during his US Open win or at least it lead to rules to eliminate it. I haven't been able to find any videos to see how he was soft breaking then.

My point was maybe it was different then and has evolved into what Dr. Dave showed in his video that I think was from 2016.
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The Corey 9-ball soft breaks in my video were from 2014 and 2016:

2014 CSI USBTC 9 Ball: Corey Deuel vs Dennis Orcollo: https://youtu.be/mZa59OiRJd8?t=1942
2016 9-Ball Challenge - Bowman vs Deuel: https://youtu.be/A9fmzQ0dg6I?t=627
 
bb9ball said:
Your diagram of Corey's pattern for 8-ball racking has him breaking from the wrong side.

I don't have any "big" breaks to share.

But, here is another soft break that worked effectively by Ronnie Alcano.

And, a cut break by Max Lechner that I think we will see more players try to copy when the 2 is racked in the back of the rack. I've never heard a reason for it and I hope it goes away after this.
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Reason for 2 behind the rack is create random 2 ball position from break. Do u know how hard that is what Lechner pulled off there? When i shoot ghost i put 2 behind the rack because it is hardest position to get working if I make 1-ball. Often it will get double kissed back to end rail etc. If it was easy Jayson definitely would use it.
Darren Appleton think same way as I do. I saw him to say 2 should be put bottom of rack. Also Mika was already thinking before 2010 2 should be behind rack to fight vs Soft breaks.
 
Poolmanis said:
Reason for 2 behind the rack is create random 2 ball position from break. Do u know how hard that is what Lechner pulled off there? When i shoot ghost i put 2 behind the rack because it is hardest position to get working if I make 1-ball. Often it will get double kissed back to end rail etc. If it was easy Jayson definitely would use it.
Darren Appleton think same way as I do. I saw him to say 2 should be put bottom of rack. Also Mika was already thinking before 2010 2 should be behind rack to fight vs Soft breaks.
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Thanks for the reason that the 2 is being required to be at the back of the rack. I had never heard of a reason before. It just seemed odd to me to have more random patterns after the break from a less random rack.

As for how hard it is to do what Lechner did, we'll see in the next events with these rules. Just because no one has figured it out before, doesn't mean that it can't be copied.
 
dr_dave said:
Anybody else have any other good pro break shot examples (with timestamp video links) to share (preferably with CB control and lots of balls pocketed)?
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I have yet to watch you vids on the topic, but I'd add svb's match against mockapoppalopapadoplous in Greece evidenced what might be amongst the most impressive breaking display ever.

Svb broke the balls like a beast and had damn near ball in paw angle on the 1 in the corner every time.
 
dr_dave said:
Anybody else have any other good pro break shot examples (with timestamp video links) to share (preferably with CB control and lots of balls pocketed)?
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Black-Balled said:
I have yet to watch you vids on the topic, but I'd add svb's match against mockapoppalopapadoplous in Greece evidenced what might be amongst the most impressive breaking display ever.

Svb broke the balls like a beast and had damn near ball in paw angle on the 1 in the corner every time.
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The focus of my "Best Pool BREAK SHOTS of All Time" video was specific examples of remarkable break shots (in 8-ball, 9-ball, or 10-ball), where many balls are pocketed or where innovative techniques were used. If you think any single break from SVB in the match video you linked meets that criteria, please post a MM:SS timestamp link.

Thanks,
Dave
 
Poolmanis said:
Reason for 2 behind the rack is create random 2 ball position from break. Do u know how hard that is what Lechner pulled off there? When i shoot ghost i put 2 behind the rack because it is hardest position to get working if I make 1-ball. Often it will get double kissed back to end rail etc. If it was easy Jayson definitely would use it.
Darren Appleton think same way as I do. I saw him to say 2 should be put bottom of rack. Also Mika was already thinking before 2010 2 should be behind rack to fight vs Soft breaks.
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I like 2b in the back coz it gets a lot of movement and therefore, morr likely to become playable in sequence.

That's my story!
 
Great stuff as always Dave. I remember I was down at Derby City when the Shane/Jayson racking argument happened. I remember Corey was talking to a group of people complaining about what Shane was doing. In the back of my head I was like, "dude, you created this type of stuff."
 
briankenobi said:
Great stuff as always Dave. I remember I was down at Derby City when the Shane/Jayson racking argument happened.
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For those interested, I have the entire "Derby City Racking Saga" documented in theses videos:



The links and quotes in the YouTube video descriptions (video 1, video 2) provide all the background information. The story is also described at the end of this article: “How to Rack and Break 9-Ball Like a Pro” (Billiards Digest, March, 2018).

briankenobi said:
I remember Corey was talking to a group of people complaining about what Shane was doing. In the back of my head I was like, "dude, you created this type of stuff."
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That's funny (and true).

Regards,
Dave
 
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