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if you are looking at new tables and prepared to spend a bit, how about contacting this smaller manufacturer and restorer?

I think you'd stand a way better chance of getting an actually well made table here , than by buying yet another offshore made piece of garbage clone table. He seems quite knowledgeable.. nice video.

 
if you are looking at new tables and prepared to spend a bit, how about contacting this smaller manufacturer and restorer?

I think you'd stand a way better chance of getting an actually well made table here , than by buying yet another offshore made piece of garbage clone table. He seems quite knowledgeable.. nice video.

Blatts tables are a masterpiece of beauty. They are more for pride of ownership
than playability. Their tables go from $5000-$150,000+. People that buy them are actors, famous people and recreational bangers. I looked into a “Blatts” restored GC years ago. It was close to $20,000 after shipping and installation.
Blatts tables are a show piece. Most likely any one of them. However they’re not tournament grade … more for that special room.
Regardless a buyer has to start with a budget … then get the best they can with that.(new or used)
Lastly any table is only as good as it’s installation.
 
Blatts tables are a masterpiece of beauty. They are more for pride of ownership
than playability. Their tables go from $5000-$150,000+. People that buy them are actors, famous people and recreational bangers. I looked into a “Blatts” restored GC years ago. It was close to $20,000 after shipping and installation.
Blatts tables are a show piece. Most likely any one of them. However they’re not tournament grade … more for that special room.
Regardless a buyer has to start with a budget … then get the best they can with that.(new or used)
Lastly any table is only as good as it’s installation.
I agree alot of those high end custom tables are made more for the looks and prestige than how they play. They aren't generally for a serious players.

As for him mentioning offshore, Diamonds aren't made offshore. Rassons are Chinese but he was praising them in another thread because of there aluminum structure, Predator are made in Spain and I'm not sure where Brunswicks are made now. I think Yalin was making them at one point.
 
I agree alot of those high end custom tables are made more for the looks and prestige than how they play. They aren't generally for a serious players.

As for him mentioning offshore, Diamonds aren't made offshore. Rassons are Chinese but he was praising them in another thread because of there aluminum structure, Predator are made in Spain and I'm not sure where Brunswicks are made now. I think Yalin was making them at one point.
Diamond tables might be assembled in the US, where are the parts really made, like the particleboard rails and the slate?
 
Diamond tables might be assembled in the US, where are the parts really made, like the particleboard rails and the slate?
The rails aren't Particle board . Where are you getting that? They do make a PRC rail option but that's not particle board. If I remember right there is like 2 pieces of something other than solid wood or plywood in a Pro-Am and they are structural and that in the Gulley. The slate is Brazilian I believe and they are American made otherwise.

Show me your proof otherwise?
 
Diamond tables might be assembled in the US, where are the parts really made, like the particleboard rails and the slate?
If I were to buy a fairly high end table and was willing to drop 3K or more, I'd definitely turn to an older table and give it the love it needs. That would be my preference.. I personally think making rails from particleboard and coated with plastic results in an inferior product. if that is what you desire , who am I to say how one should set their priorities.. if you love that , put your money into that.. Its your money ..

my point was there are better choices and many of the older ones appeal to me , they have real wood and those will probably retain value. The older ones that are well made, look and feel and play much nicer, in my opinion.

if one wants one that is " exactly like all the others" because they believe that playing on a table that is just the same same as they would see in a tournament, then that's a choice another person can make. That's just not a choice that I personally would favor.

I will admit I love antiques, I love to see the old hardwoods, the oak and veneer work and intricacies and uniqueness of them..
as an example I sanded all my own floors and restored them, sure I could have laid down particleboard "looks like wood" flooring and it would last ok. I just don't admire it.. I much prefer real wood furniture, and the things about me that I touch, I prefer wood to plastics.. same for the rails.

a lot of the modern rails must follow a similar process to those all too common countertops with the curved backsplash.. its a similar technique of bonding the plastic and press molding the particleboard into an object.. while it may be "commercially acceptable" to use that process, , it just doesn't have a very appealing look or feel , to me.
 
If I were to buy a fairly high end table and was willing to drop 3K or more, I'd definitely turn to an older table and give it the love it needs. That would be my preference.. I personally think making rails from particleboard and coated with plastic results in an inferior product. if that is what you desire , who am I to say how one should set their priorities.. if you love that , put your money into that.. Its your money ..

my point was there are better choices and many of the older ones appeal to me , they have real wood and those will probably retain value. The older ones that are well made, look and feel and play much nicer, in my opinion.

if one wants one that is " exactly like all the others" because they believe that playing on a table that is just the same same as they would see in a tournament, then that's a choice another person can make. That's just not a choice that I personally would favor.

I will admit I love antiques, I love to see the old hardwoods, the oak and veneer work and intricacies and uniqueness of them..
as an example I sanded all my own floors and restored them, sure I could have laid down particleboard "looks like wood" flooring and it would last ok. I just don't admire it.. I much prefer real wood furniture, and the things about me that I touch, I prefer wood to plastics.. same for the rails.

a lot of the modern rails must follow a similar process to those all too common countertops with the curved backsplash.. its a similar technique of bonding the plastic and press molding the particleboard into an object.. while it may be "commercially acceptable" to use that process, , it just doesn't have a very appealing look or feel , to me.
Here again. Diamond uses 6 pieces of solid oak or ash butcher blocked together with one piece of poplar where the cushion attaches to and no particleboard. So I don't get your obsession with that. I get you like antiques but for a table I want for its playability not looks, although I like the looks of a Diamond. My only other choice would be a rebuilt and modified GC but here it would cost more than a new Diamond. I also prefer solid wood touch over veneer covered rails.
 
If you're talking about Diamond's rail construction of its commercial tables, I think you are confused.

A friend of mine has a Diamond table with cocobolo rails. Looks really nice.
The only thing I can think of that he talking about is the black PRC rails which is a resin infused material but it's not particleboard.

They list a few different options for their tables with Maple and Oak being the common two but I believe other are available. I prefer them actually to the veneer , paint and metal pocket castings of the old GC's but that's personal preference.
 
... the veneer , paint and metal pocket castings of the old GC's but that's personal preference.
I think of the GC as a large step down from what Brunswick had done before. The original GC design was lousy. On the other hand, it was relatively solid construction and dominated the commercial market for decades. Many players became attached to their GCs in spite of the glaring issues.
 
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I'm gonna replace my cheaper 8ft table with another table now that I'm getting back into the sport after a 30 year haitius. Im pretty much set on a 9ft table. It will have to be 3 piece due to my basement has a set of stairs and a corner.

If you had a choice of new table what specific table model, pocket size, specific cloth and any other specifics what would you get or advice you'd have

I'm in Atlanta Georgia is that helps.
Call a few guys that move Pool tables. They take them apart and put them back together so they know how they are built and the material they are built with. I know a man that does that and he told me Diamond tables are junk. Built with particle board. I just saw a beautiful 9' Gold Crown on FB Market place for $3,000 Delivered and assembled with new cloth the color you choose.
 
I think of the GC as a large step down from what Brunswick had done before. The original GC design was lousy. One the other hand, it was relatively solid construction and dominated the commercial market for decades. Many players became attached to their GCs in spite of the glaring issues.
I play on 9' Gold Crowns 5 days a week. If their set up right they play just fine,
 
Call a few guys that move Pool tables. They take them apart and put them back together so they know how they are built and the material they are built with. I know a man that does that and he told me Diamond tables are junk. Built with particle board. I just saw a beautiful 9' Gold Crown on FB Market place for $3,000 Delivered and assembled with new cloth the color you choose.
Then he is lying to you about the particleboard. There is are a couple of rubber coated pieces of particleboard in the ball return of the Pro-Am otherwise no particleboard used in Diamond tables. If there was they wouldn't hold up being moved from tournament to tournament. The cheapest GC I've ever found here was 3 and was 3900 and would need new cloth and sub rail mods to get smaller pockets and that was 6 hours away.
 
If you haven't played on a diamond, they play way differently than real pool tables. Don't spend 10k on one without playing on a diamond for a few hours.

They are also ugly. The only thing diamond got right is the flush pockets.

If you are willing to spend diamond money, I expect you will be happier with a gold crown that had been restored. They will be what you were used to playing on in the nineties.
Check out the Beautiful 9' Gold Crown on FB Market place. $3,000 delivered and set up with new cloth. Thers is a cheaper one but this one is like new.
 
Then he is lying to you about the particleboard. There is are a couple of rubber coated pieces of particleboard in the ball return of the Pro-Am otherwise no particleboard used in Diamond tables. If there was they wouldn't hold up being moved from tournament to tournament. The cheapest GC I've ever found here was 3 and was 3900 and would need new cloth and sub rail mods to get smaller pockets and that was 6 hours away.
I am not lying. Ask any Pool guy that moves them.
 
Check out the Beautiful 9' Gold Crown on FB Market place. $3,000 delivered and set up with new cloth. Thers is a cheaper one but this one is like new.
I'm not in the US. That would cost me more than a new Rasson or Diamond by the time it got here to Canada. They are not common here.
 
I am not lying. Ask any Pool guy that moves them.
I have asked a couple and they mentioned nothing about particleboard. Now you tell me what parts are particle board. From what I've seen the main tub of a Pro Am is 3/4 plywood and the the rails are solid butcher block wood. The Pro uses timbestrand beams and solid wood rails as well.
I'm waiting to hear from a couple of more mechanics about them.

By the way I didn't say you were lying I said the guy who told you was or possibly just mistaken. They do have an option of PRC with is a rising infused material but it's not particleboard.
 
I would go diamond professional (drop pockets). I have a pro am (ball return) and have to polish my balls often. They are built like tanks. Only other thing I wish I would have done is go 4 1/8th rather than 4.5 pro cuts that's a personal thing though.
 
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