best way to install a ivory ferrule
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PoorBoy B said:I have few raw pices of ivory that I can make a best way to install a ivory ferrule out of should I just put a hole right through or should I make it capped and threaded?
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You really have 4 options, straight through, straight through & capped, straight through & threaded OR capped & threaded. They will all work. My son has a BREAK Q, that he made with a straight through Ivory ferrule, that is like new after 18 years...JER
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
The nice thing about the straight thru ferrule is that the tenon takes up at lease 1/2 of the impact and gives wonderful feedback. I cut my tenon to .315. Next I drill the hole in the ferrule to .315 and run a 5/16-18 tap thru the ferrule to rough it up some. I glue it with epoxy and never hava a problem.
Good Cuemaking,
dave sutton
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Arnot Wadsworth said:
i always do mine capped and threaded with a glue relief hole
It all works, but capped is stronger.
Do you think the hollow shafts (Predator, OB1) lack feedback?
Definitely yes.
Definitely yes.
i think the pred lack feedback and the OB are too softbut do have pretty good feedback.
i was talking to John Schmit when he was in nashville and he was hyping the OB-1.i said that i like it and actually played for 5-6 months with one,but i though the hit was too soft and the Pred hit was just dead on certain shots.
he replied,"if it makes the balls for you and you like,it really doesn't matter what hit is like."
kind of made sense,but then again i can't run 400 balls.
i was talking to John Schmit when he was in nashville and he was hyping the OB-1.i said that i like it and actually played for 5-6 months with one,but i though the hit was too soft and the Pred hit was just dead on certain shots.
he replied,"if it makes the balls for you and you like,it really doesn't matter what hit is like."
kind of made sense,but then again i can't run 400 balls.
WheatCues
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PoorBoy B said:I have few raw pices of ivory that I can make a best way to install a ivory ferrule out of should I just put a hole right through or should I make it capped and threaded?
Thanks
I personally install ivory ferrules either sleeved or threaded/capped depending on the hit, feel and harmonics the customer is wanting.... automatically Ivory hits harder so a capped ferrule will hit louder and more crisp than a sleeved one, I tend get a little more involved myself with the "playability" of materials I'm using, so I always experiment with different applications so I CAN give the customer an ivory ferrule who doensn't want a real hard hit of the Ivory's typical properties for example.
Sleeved or capped is a preference call... do whatever you or the customer wants... as long as you use a good glue "and I'm not even going there with which type of glues to use"...
Also a fibre pad is optional... the pad will stiffen the hit and sharpen the sound and I personally have never had any of my customer's Ivory ferrules crack without a pad under the tip... most players who use ivory ferrules without pads due to hitting preferences have enough common sense to not let the tip wear all the way down to the edge before replacing it....
If you have any questions please call anytime !
Sincerely, Eddie Wheat - East Coast Cue Repair 321-631-1827
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WheatCues
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masonh said:
Yes I agree, especially when you have several dozen customers utilizing pads originally that now don't because there is a softer feel without it !
But of course, feel is one's own interpretation.... and that's why cuesmithing and cuemaking is NOT a cut&dry operation, too many variables in the equation......
Just out of curiosity.... I have only had experience with the black pads are the red ones any different in density or feel as far as the hit is concerned ????
- Eddie Wheat
I think fibre pads soften the hit too. After all it's softer than ivory.masonh said:
Some makers like it as an insurance to ivory breaking. Some like it because you don't have to reface the ivory everytime you replaced the tip. If you do a search on ivory ferrule here, you'd find out there were a ton of posts about it.
One with Blud and Mike Webb having a friendly banter over the pad issue.
OB-1 with it's carbon fibre disc introduced another option too I think.
Years ago I saw Roger Griffis play with his Phoenix cue with a fibre pad at Jay H's LA Expo. His tip sounded ticky to me. Some people were wondering what that sound was. It was the pad.
Joey~Prefers buckhorn over ivory~
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WheatCues
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JoeyInCali said:I think fibre pads soften the hit too. After all it's softer than ivory.
Some makers like it as an insurance to ivory breaking. Some like it because you don't have to reface the ivory everytime you replaced the tip. If you do a search on ivory ferrule here, you'd find out there were a ton of posts about it.
One with Blud and Mike Webb having a friendly banter over the pad issue.
OB-1 with it's carbon fibre disc introduced another option too I think.
Years ago I saw Roger Griffis play with his Phoenix cue with a fibre pad at Jay H's LA Expo. His tip sounded ticky to me. Some people were wondering what that sound was. It was the pad.
Joey~Prefers buckhorn over ivory~
The pad was a question I asked Royce about with the OB-1 cues and he assured me that the carbon-fibre pad didn't make any noticable differenced at all in the feel or sound.....
Back to the fibre pad issue.... I have noticed more of a sound issue which in turn gives the your brain the impression that its alot harder because it's noiser so that may have a direct impact on one's interpretation on the harder/softer feel with the pad on the ivory ferrule....
I know for a fact that I can distinctly tell the difference between night and day when hitting with a customers cue that I installed a pad under a triangle tip as requested and I do NOT like it at all, it was noisy and definitley a harder hit !
But as I said previously.... given the properties of ivory and then trying to gauge just how much softer or harder the cue hits without a pad is pretty tedious especially when introducing layered tips into the equation....
- Eddie Wheat
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dave sutton
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i will not do a tip on ivory without a pad. at the open last year a guy has a schon with a lbm ferrule and a black pad. i liked the way it hit so ive been putting pads on non ivory ferrules too sometimes. the pad adds feel for me i love them. the ball seems to jump better off the cue IMO
i dont think it hits harder. that pad is deff softer then any ferrule material. when you hit the ball somethings gotta give. i think its the pad or "cushion"...
i dont think it hits harder. that pad is deff softer then any ferrule material. when you hit the ball somethings gotta give. i think its the pad or "cushion"...
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Originally Posted by JoeyInCali
Years ago I saw Roger Griffis play with his Phoenix cue with a fibre pad at Jay H's LA Expo. His tip sounded ticky to me. Some people were wondering what that sound was.
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I was probably the cue itself.........most all of those cues were built in a week or less and word is they were glued together entirely with super glue.
Riddle: What goes roll, thump, thump...roll, thump, thump?
There's some snake oil for you....
<~~~installs pads on every ferrule.................
Originally Posted by JoeyInCali
Years ago I saw Roger Griffis play with his Phoenix cue with a fibre pad at Jay H's LA Expo. His tip sounded ticky to me. Some people were wondering what that sound was.
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I was probably the cue itself.........most all of those cues were built in a week or less and word is they were glued together entirely with super glue.
Riddle: What goes roll, thump, thump...roll, thump, thump?
There's some snake oil for you....
<~~~installs pads on every ferrule.................