You present an impression that you hate someone who has dedicated all or a good portion of their lives to raising pool to a higher level. It seems that you would love it if they all became desperate failures. Why? Do you have the same attitude toward professional football players, baseball players, golfers, bowlers, etc.? Why the attitude?
Best Worst Quote EVER from an APA League Operator
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You present an impression that you hate someone who has dedicated all or a good portion of their lives to raising pool to a higher level. It seems that you would love it if they all became desperate failures. Why? Do you have the same attitude toward professional football players, baseball players, golfers, bowlers, etc.? Why the attitude?
There has been gambling on any major sport you can think of for generations. Are they cursed, too? Or do you only reserve that term for accomplished players in pool who are willing to put a little money on the level of their game?
In point of fact, it's other sports that are more gambling oriented because almost always the betting is on someone else's level of skill rather than one's own.
Do you really just detest accomplished players because they play better than you, or because you're an instructor that they wouldn't bother to pay for lessons, or what's the deal, exactly?
I think you better do some math!!!
265,000 X 25$ = 6,625,000, that is what the APA makes from annual fees. a LO with 20 teams makes over 500 a week. and a LO with say a 100 teams makes a great living, 100 teams x $40 x 17 weeks = $68,000 per session. please correct me if my math is wrong.
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Good points, I stand corrected.
I envy people who have a passion for a game and try hard to get better. I just think too many people are wasting time chasing the money. I admit I was wrong about APA league operation being lucrative; I was basing my opinion on what I was told by a couple of them over the years. I would never give up my job to play pool, even if I thought I could be one of the best. I guess I think too much about long term fiscal responsiblity. Professional pool has no 401K, no retirement plan, no long term security. Even the best pool players have good years and bad years. Compare that with a steady job (even a $50K/yr job), where your income would compare favorably to some of the top 100 players in the world.
Wow, I had no idea APA (as a whole) makes that much money.
I can see how $500/wk could be lucrative for a person who already has a decent, steady job. I stand by my opinion about pool not being a viable profession (maybe to a scant few).
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Do you know what you're talking about?
Our local one built a brand new house and a SEPERATE house just to put a pool table in. That's not minimum wage profit and yes this is their full time job.
I know of a another bringing in at the minimum 600 grand a year.
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if they make that much they are the exception not the rule guaranteed
Most people that operate a league don't earn that type of money. Even the ones that do probably put in a ton of investment financially and man hours I would guess to get it to that point. Whether there's a point of too much is a matter of opinion and we each have our own idea how much is too much but, for the majority of these people, yes I do know what they are making and its getting by period but they get to get by being their own boss in a sense and doing something with pool. To them that's better than being above the financial curve.
There's a huge different between the top league operators and the average ones. As a whole, most simply get by and put in a ton of work to do that.
Most people that operate a league don't earn that type of money. Even the ones that do probably put in a ton of investment financially and man hours I would guess to get it to that point. Whether there's a point of too much is a matter of opinion and we each have our own idea how much is too much but, for the majority of these people, yes I do know what they are making and its getting by period but they get to get by being their own boss in a sense and doing something with pool. To them that's better than being above the financial curve.
There's a huge different between the top league operators and the average ones. As a whole, most simply get by and put in a ton of work to do that.
the math isnt correct, not in many cases
At 100 teams, and I know this for a fact since I help a league operator, does not bring in that kind of money.
A huge part of the weekly fee is set aside to pay for player benefit items and its required to be a certain amount at a minimum. After that, the APA has to take their part for allowing the franchise to operate. After that then the LO pays for liability insurance and any license fees, then you have office expenses and they are a big amount as well. Then of course fuel, handling constant calls and issues and the list goes on and on.
Doing general math doesn't work in business because there are so many expenses that have to be considered because the business can't operate without incurring them.
At 100 teams after all is said and done and if there is only one person working an area with 100 teams, the LO probably took down 30k pre tax. That's hardly living to excess
Wow, I had no idea APA (as a whole) makes that much money.
I can see how $500/wk could be lucrative for a person who already has a decent, steady job. I stand by my opinion about pool not being a viable profession (maybe to a scant few).
At 100 teams, and I know this for a fact since I help a league operator, does not bring in that kind of money.
A huge part of the weekly fee is set aside to pay for player benefit items and its required to be a certain amount at a minimum. After that, the APA has to take their part for allowing the franchise to operate. After that then the LO pays for liability insurance and any license fees, then you have office expenses and they are a big amount as well. Then of course fuel, handling constant calls and issues and the list goes on and on.
Doing general math doesn't work in business because there are so many expenses that have to be considered because the business can't operate without incurring them.
At 100 teams after all is said and done and if there is only one person working an area with 100 teams, the LO probably took down 30k pre tax. That's hardly living to excess
lol....Once that happened here and I asked the LO for the handicapping formula. She handed me the rulebook and said it is in there. When I read the rulebook's section on handicapping, it said, Ask the LO.
Circle jerk.
Jeff Livingston
Smacks of favoritism. This is why the LO should never be allowed to manipulate handicaps. If the handicap system is that great, let it work and ban the sandbaggers.
Here in the Valley of the Sun we have (2) monthly Pool Newspapers, both have 1/2 Page Full Color Advertisement from the Local APA League Franchise Owner.
I once asked a Bar Owner who also operates a BCAPL League, how come he did not run ads like the APA Operator did.
He said APA NAtional pays part of the monthly Ad cost, and the APA League Players do not get the percentage of Pay-out at Season End the players in his BCAPL League get.
So the APA Franchisee has more money to spend on advertising.
I once asked a Bar Owner who also operates a BCAPL League, how come he did not run ads like the APA Operator did.
He said APA NAtional pays part of the monthly Ad cost, and the APA League Players do not get the percentage of Pay-out at Season End the players in his BCAPL League get.
So the APA Franchisee has more money to spend on advertising.
Not here to bash the APA, I Still play in and have fun one night a week in the APA.
About a year and a half ago I asked my APA LO a question regarding handicapping which I thought was a legitimate question.
His response was " We are not here for the 6's and 7 's." and did not entertain my question. I was a bit disturbed by this response.
Since then I have started a BCA league in the same area. One of the APA LO's recently contacted me with a bit of concern as our league has grown quite rapidly. My response was "We are not here for your 2's and 3's"
I do enjoy playing the APA. I play an a team with my wife and my daughter and a few others that would not fair well in a scratch type league setting.
Darin
About a year and a half ago I asked my APA LO a question regarding handicapping which I thought was a legitimate question.
His response was " We are not here for the 6's and 7 's." and did not entertain my question. I was a bit disturbed by this response.
Since then I have started a BCA league in the same area. One of the APA LO's recently contacted me with a bit of concern as our league has grown quite rapidly. My response was "We are not here for your 2's and 3's"
I do enjoy playing the APA. I play an a team with my wife and my daughter and a few others that would not fair well in a scratch type league setting.
Darin