better spot in one pocket

[vivalaraza]

i have a game with a guy at one pocket. he beat me with me giving up 10-7. he says he will play with the next spot down from that.

what is a better spot for me to give up, 9-7 or 10-8?

he does not have a very good break so i could give him the break and he might actually think that is good!

 

[Ktown D]

i have a game with a guy at one pocket. he beat me with me giving up 10-7. he says he will play with the next spot down from that.

what is a better spot for me to give up, 9-7 or 10-8?

he does not have a very good break so i could give him the break and he might actually think that is good!

I was told this by a very accomplished player. Always make a lesser player make more balls. That's my take.

 

[sjm]

Actually, giving up 9 - 7 is more than giving up 10 - 8. Try 10 - 8 and see what happens.

 

[mjantti]

i have a game with a guy at one pocket. he beat me with me giving up 10-7. he says he will play with the next spot down from that.

what is a better spot for me to give up, 9-7 or 10-8?

he does not have a very good break so i could give him the break and he might actually think that is good!

9-7 is better for you than 10-8. If you divide 9 with 7, you'll get a higher number than 10 divided by 8. The higher number means better game for the guy taking weight. If you start calculating the weight with the break, a break is usually worth around 1 ball for the breaker, 1,5 to 2 balls if the players are world class players. This info has been provided by many top players...

 

[nfty9er]

Completely disagree

9-7 is better for you than 10-8. If you divide 9 with 7, you'll get a higher number than 10 divided by 8. The higher number means better game for the guy taking weight. If you start calculating the weight with the break, a break is usually worth around 1 ball for the breaker, 1,5 to 2 balls if the players are world class players. This info has been provided by many top players...

Forget the math bull, common sense says always have the lesser player make more balls. Take that from 55 years of playing the game.

 

[wayne]

9-7 is better for you than 10-8. If you divide 9 with 7, you'll get a higher number than 10 divided by 8. The higher number means better game for the guy taking weight. If you start calculating the weight with the break, a break is usually worth around 1 ball for the breaker, 1,5 to 2 balls if the players are world class players. This info has been provided by many top players...

Mjantti: You got it exactly backwards. Since the person asking the question is giving up the weight, it is way better for him to give up 10-8 than 9-7. If he was getting the weight instead of giving it up then what you said would be correct. The only time it would be better for him to give 9-7 than 10-8 would be if he knew he was going to drill the guy and he wanted the games to be shorter.

Wayne

 

[LastTwo]

9-7 is better for you than 10-8. If you divide 9 with 7, you'll get a higher number than 10 divided by 8. The higher number means better game for the guy taking weight. If you start calculating the weight with the break, a break is usually worth around 1 ball for the breaker, 1,5 to 2 balls if the players are world class players. This info has been provided by many top players...

Sorry but you're wrong here. Any top one pocket players will tell you the same.

 

[jazzn4444]

Here's my philosophy, given to me by a very well known cue maker and one hole player:
If my guy can draw a ball, he goes to 8.

It's a little fierce, but you need to remember that you're trying to protect your money and win theirs. Not the other way around. Make that dude go up. It's apparent that he can make 7 balls, see if he can make 8. When I give up a spot, they never go less than 8. The only time I let them go less than 8 is when I know for a fact that they can't shoot. Hope that helps.

 

[mjantti]

Uups, another post made with tired eyes. I somehow read that he was given the weight. If he's giving weight 10-8 is better than 9-7.

 

[1pRoscoe]

10-8 is much better than 9-7, regardless what is said above, although you will have to spot a few.... Don't forget that.

The more balls your opponent has to make, the better.

 

[Cory in DC]

10-8 is clearly less of a spot to give than 9-7:

1. As a percentage, 10 is 25% more than 8; but 9 is 28.6% more than 7, so on that measure your 10-8 is a smaller spot to give out than 9-7. (Someone else made a similar point earlier.)

2. And in this case, the better/smaller spot to give is consistent with the idea of making the lesser player need more balls (similar in concept to the better player always preferring a longer race to a shorter one.)

So the progression of spots from smaller to bigger goes something like this:

9-8, 10-8, 9-7, 11-8, 10-7, 12-8, 11-7, ... (for any given gap between the balls-needed, the one that requires more total balls is a smaller spot to give out.)

Based on this, one down from 10-7 would be 11-8. But that's a fairly small difference and involves a lot of spotting of balls, so the next smaller commonly played spot to 10-7 would be 9-7. But if you can get away with giving out 10-8 instead, all the better.

Cory

 

[mjantti]

Forget the math bull, common sense says always have the lesser player make more balls. Take that from 55 years of playing the game.

I'm sorry to jump on this one, but you say making the lesser player making more balls is better for the skilled player ? So, if you're giving someone 10-8 and he demands more weight and asks for 15-9, would you say yes ? You'd jump on this one because he has to make more balls, eh ? Ok, let's say you agree with me that you're giving more weight with 15-9 than 10-8, but your opponent still demands more weight. Do you think you're getting away with murder giving 14-9 ? 13-9 ? 12-9 ? Of course he won't take 11-9, because you'd be reducing the weight then, not giving more.

IMHO, you need mathematics to figure out real weight you're giving, not just increasing your opponent's balls. I'm with Cory here...

Nothing against you nfty9er, my 2-3 years of 1pocket against your 55 years, but my common sense goes against you in this one.

 

[1pocket]

Another thing is to offer a slight adjustment just on one of the breaks -- ie leave it 10-7 on their break, but offer 10-8 on your break (assuming you are the stronger player giving up the weight). FYI, there is a complete chart of handicap progressions available on onepocket.org:

http://onepocket.org/handicaps.htm

 

[nfty9er]

That anaolgy does not work

I'm sorry to jump on this one, but you say making the lesser player making more balls is better for the skilled player ? So, if you're giving someone 10-8 and he demands more weight and asks for 15-9, would you say yes ? You'd jump on this one because he has to make more balls, eh ? Ok, let's say you agree with me that you're giving more weight with 15-9 than 10-8, but your opponent still demands more weight. Do you think you're getting away with murder giving 14-9 ? 13-9 ? 12-9 ? Of course he won't take 11-9, because you'd be reducing the weight then, not giving more.

IMHO, you need mathematics to figure out real weight you're giving, not just increasing your opponent's balls. I'm with Cory here...

Nothing against you nfty9er, my 2-3 years of 1pocket against your 55 years, but my common sense goes against you in this one.

Are you crazy or am I misinterpreting your post. If you are giving getting beat 9-7 and you want to change the spot you do not let him ask for 15-9. What are you trying to say? The scenario was ,what is the next spot to go to. Well I answered always make him make more balls. Making him go to more balls does not guarantee a win.
Now when you start throwing numbers out like that, its a whole different game. It's simple if he wants two balls , try to make it 10-8 rather than 9-7.
If he wants three balls try to make it 11-8 rather than 10-7. etc. etc. Your examples all of a sudden is spotting up to 5 balls. The guy got beat 9-7 , why would he give him 14, 13, or 12, to 9 just cause you made him make more balls. Your example makes no sense and I say again forget the math.

 

[Ktown D]

I'm sorry to jump on this one, but you say making the lesser player making more balls is better for the skilled player ? So, if you're giving someone 10-8 and he demands more weight and asks for 15-9, would you say yes ? You'd jump on this one because he has to make more balls, eh ? Ok, let's say you agree with me that you're giving more weight with 15-9 than 10-8, but your opponent still demands more weight. Do you think you're getting away with murder giving 14-9 ? 13-9 ? 12-9 ? Of course he won't take 11-9, because you'd be reducing the weight then, not giving more.

IMHO, you need mathematics to figure out real weight you're giving, not just increasing your opponent's balls. I'm with Cory here...

Nothing against you nfty9er, my 2-3 years of 1pocket against your 55 years, but my common sense goes against you in this one.

You are not thinking of how the spot will will be incorporated in the game. Any ball pocketed will spot, and that is where being able to move and duck is important. i have seen a lot of Joes run 5 but when you have to get down 8 or 9 their ability to maneuver and shoot is really tested. The better player depends on this and uses it to his advantage a ball or two at a time until an opportunity presents itself.

 

[gulfportdoc]

i have a game with a guy at one pocket. he beat me with me giving up 10-7. he says he will play with the next spot down from that.
what is a better spot for me to give up, 9-7 or 10-8?

According to onepocket.org, it would be 11-8. If he doesn't run balls very well, you might even consider 8-6

Doc

 

[OldHasBeen]

I Would Offer Him..................

i have a game with a guy at one pocket. he beat me with me giving up 10-7. he says he will play with the next spot down from that.

what is a better spot for me to give up, 9-7 or 10-8?

he does not have a very good break so i could give him the break and he might actually think that is good!

I Would Offer Him 10-7 / 9-7 -- Depending on who is winning $.
I offer this many times & it is really the fairest & best way to spot aomeone. Every time you get EVEN - You flip to see what the spot will be and also for the break.

TY & GL

 

[StoneCold]

If you don't know which is better sounds to me like you shouldn't be spotting anyone! !0-8 is the better game for the better player

 

[mjantti]

Are you crazy or am I misinterpreting your post. If you are giving getting beat 9-7 and you want to change the spot you do not let him ask for 15-9. What are you trying to say? The scenario was ,what is the next spot to go to. Well I answered always make him make more balls. Making him go to more balls does not guarantee a win.
Now when you start throwing numbers out like that, its a whole different game. It's simple if he wants two balls , try to make it 10-8 rather than 9-7.
If he wants three balls try to make it 11-8 rather than 10-7. etc. etc. Your examples all of a sudden is spotting up to 5 balls. The guy got beat 9-7 , why would he give him 14, 13, or 12, to 9 just cause you made him make more balls. Your example makes no sense and I say again forget the math.

Ok, I got your point now. And yes, maybe I'm crazy