Here's pictures of the frame on a Diamond 7-foot Home Table.
Better Table?
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That is a BEAST!:thumbup:
Thank you,
Your reply is accurate and very helpful
Your reply is accurate and very helpful
There are so many variables that can affect performance, and so much misinformation flying around out there, I would take any advice with a grain of salt. People can be fickle loyalists to a fault. Myself included. Shocking I know.
What the industry lacks IMO, is a true "standard" to gage quality and performance of billiard tables. In other words, I want to see the stats and the math behind claims of superiority.
Drop a 250lb weight in the center of a Brunswick table and lets measure how much it sags compared to the Olhausen and Diamond...
Let's check the cushions on each brand with a standard rolling ball test and see who REALLY has the most lively rubber...
and the list goes on and on....
When someone produces a real, unbiased quality comparison, I'll be the first to read it, but until then....
Yawn. :boring2: Next.
What the industry lacks IMO, is a true "standard" to gage quality and performance of billiard tables. In other words, I want to see the stats and the math behind claims of superiority.
Drop a 250lb weight in the center of a Brunswick table and lets measure how much it sags compared to the Olhausen and Diamond...
Let's check the cushions on each brand with a standard rolling ball test and see who REALLY has the most lively rubber...
and the list goes on and on....
When someone produces a real, unbiased quality comparison, I'll be the first to read it, but until then....
Yawn. :boring2: Next.
Walmart world
Manufacturing specs in this walmart world we live in does have a cause and affect.
Quality control also differs from company to company.
Of course there is bias within peoples choices, I've factored that in. Hell I have my own.
Somebody does make the best table and that is a fact.
Manufacturing specs in this walmart world we live in does have a cause and affect.
Quality control also differs from company to company.
Of course there is bias within peoples choices, I've factored that in. Hell I have my own.
Somebody does make the best table and that is a fact.
Daimond of course
I am not a great player, just love the game enough to spend some serious time on it. I grew up playing on GCs. So when I looked for my second ( read serious) table I naturally looked at all the GCs I,II,III,IV, and even the V. Looked at Gabriels, Olhousen and Gandys and Diamonds, Played on them all. Took over six months to decide. My avatar is what I ended up with. A Diamond Professional in cherry.(had to please the wife who looks at it as just another piece of furniture) Nothing plays like a Diamond. IMO I am playing on a table that any major pool tournament can be held on. That is important to me, even if I can't shoot like the pros. I would agree with an earlier post that the person setting up the table is just as important as the table you chose. Also be sure of the pocket size you want. It clearly affects the playing characteristics of the table.
Good luck, take your time, these tables last a long time!
Robert
I am not a great player, just love the game enough to spend some serious time on it. I grew up playing on GCs. So when I looked for my second ( read serious) table I naturally looked at all the GCs I,II,III,IV, and even the V. Looked at Gabriels, Olhousen and Gandys and Diamonds, Played on them all. Took over six months to decide. My avatar is what I ended up with. A Diamond Professional in cherry.(had to please the wife who looks at it as just another piece of furniture) Nothing plays like a Diamond. IMO I am playing on a table that any major pool tournament can be held on. That is important to me, even if I can't shoot like the pros. I would agree with an earlier post that the person setting up the table is just as important as the table you chose. Also be sure of the pocket size you want. It clearly affects the playing characteristics of the table.
Good luck, take your time, these tables last a long time!
Robert
Somebody does, yes.
But I have yet to see any real proof of who it might be.
Only opinions.
Like I said, and like you said, if there is no standard, and quality control differs from manufacturer to manufacturer, whose to say what is best and whats not? The only known factor a consumer can count on is price.
Geez. Now I'm inspired to do a set of controlled tests on tables. If anyone wants to help me establish some real facts, let me know. It would be a great boon to table buyers if they had more actual information to go on, other than " ACME TABLES ARE THE PROS CHOICE "
I believe that Diamond tables are the Pros choice.
Isn't that good enough?
From my playing experience on Olhausen, Gandy, Diamond, Valley, and Brunswick GC 1-3 Diamond wins the prize hands down.
Do I need measurable data to make that conclusion....No.
P.S. Here is a piece of data for you to factor in, go to Ebay, and compare how many Diamond tables are being sold on that site compared with Brunswick. Those that have a Diamond keep them. Those with Brunswick's are selling them. E.O.S
Isn't that good enough?
From my playing experience on Olhausen, Gandy, Diamond, Valley, and Brunswick GC 1-3 Diamond wins the prize hands down.
Do I need measurable data to make that conclusion....No.
P.S. Here is a piece of data for you to factor in, go to Ebay, and compare how many Diamond tables are being sold on that site compared with Brunswick. Those that have a Diamond keep them. Those with Brunswick's are selling them. E.O.S
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the problem with this is, the tables that are imported from china look exactly the same on paper as the Olhausen. When the mechanics build these tables we notice that the wood quality isn't the same, craftsman ship isn't the same, adhesives aren't the same, slate aren't the same, nothing the same. There not any aspects of the imported table that compare, but on paper the salesman can make them look the same. But don't take my opinion, I'm just a partial billiard mechanic and don't take the pool players opinion, there partial also. You should read the brochere and when you see 1 inch thick Diamond Cut slate, means 1 inch thick Diamond Cut Slate and Solid Wood Frames, means Solid Wood Frames.
Just curious what test your going to run. I have an idea, let the billiard mechanics build some tables and let you know which design is best.
Tony, what table do you have now? I remember you contacted me a couple years ago about putting a Diamond light over a Gold Crown table.
Wow, you should be a salesman for Diamond.
Its still an unqualified statement though.
Look, I'm not "dissing" Diamond, so relax. I'm saying that just because you read it on the internet, doesnt mean it amounts to a hill of beans. This world is full of people who think they are experts at everything, and companies that lie thru their teeth to make a buck. Is this not true?
I see thru the marketing B.S. and the lies. I am not a blind consumer. And I don't "believe" that something is the truly the best, unless it has actually proven itself to be so.
Here is a piece of data for you to factor in:
McDonalds sells more hamburgers than anyone on the planet.
And for a while there, Brittney Spears sold more records than any other pop star on the charts.
Should I believe the millions and millions of people who swear by McDonalds and Brittney Spears? They must be "the best" if soooo many people say that they are, right?
See now your in the right neighborhood...
If someone asks "who makes the best table? " Don't say "ACME" just because you happen to like them. Prove it by whipping out some photos of the cheap wood on the other guys tables..or the cheap adhesive......you get the idea.
There are significant quality differences, but as you have pointed out, a Brunswick salesman certainly isn't gonna tell you why a Diamond is better. :grin-square:
Consumers need the facts, based on real information. Not more opinions.
Donny. I have a gold crown 2 with a diamond light hanging over it. Does that put me on the fence?
If resale on my crown was better I would have sold it and bought a diamond pro am.
Heck when rkc shows up to do my table maybe it will get diamondized.
Oh yeah I really like mcd's hamburgers too.
If resale on my crown was better I would have sold it and bought a diamond pro am.
Heck when rkc shows up to do my table maybe it will get diamondized.
Oh yeah I really like mcd's hamburgers too.
Here's pictures of the frame on a Diamond 7-foot Home Table.
Here's some Brunswick Home table frame picts.
these are for you Joey.
Mr.Bond this table a piece of shit. But don't take my word for it.
Where I play there is a Brunswick Gold Crown V right next to two Diamonds in addition to some GC III's and IV's.
The Diamond pockets are a little trickier but it doesn't take long to adjust to them and after that it will no longer be an issue.
The Diamond cushions play different than the Brunswick GC V cushions. The Brunswick runs truer angles at all speeds. There is a very high variation with differing speeds on the Diamond cushions.
I'm referring to the Diamond and Brunswick table photos that sdbilliards posted.
Haven't figured out yet exactly how this reply thing works.
It isn't immediately apparent to me that 1" slate is better than 3/4" slate or that all wood frames are better than wood frames with metal reinforcement/alignment.
I have played on a lot of different Brunswicks and Diamonds (9' only, 7 or 8 different tables of each) and my general impression is that there are more untrue rolls on Diamonds than on Brunswicks.
I mentioned in another post that the Diamonds have much more variation in bank angle than a Brunswick depending on bank speed.
The Diamonds don't have a rack for the balls on the end of the table. The Diamonds have legs right on the corner of the table that you have to wind yourself around with an off center stance to make a shot. The Brunswick legs are inset from the corner.
The Diamonds are a good table for the money and the Brunswicks are better tables overall.