Betting odds for WPC 2005

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recoveryjones

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Here the betting odds a bookmaker in England is offering for the upcoming World Pool Championships.I'm not going to bet,howver, based on these odds what three players would you guys bet on and (briefly) why?Include a longshot pick to make it interesting.

My choices:

Alex Pagulayan:
There never has been a back to back 9 ball world champion with the new international format.Alex has finished 1st and 2nd in the last two and his proven he can withstand the pressure of a major.

Chin Sung Yang:

Playing on his home turf, he'll have the crowd behind him.He is definitly one of the most gifted talented players on the planet and recently won on the Asian tour against formidable competition.Pool is already huge in Asia, if he wins it'll be monsterous.

Thomas Engert:

This is my longshot pick,however, is he really an longshot? At 66-1 he is definitly worth betting on.Last year he had a breakout year winning the World Pool Masters(against the very best selected competition) and the International tournament of champions.Ortmann and Hohmann consider him the strongest of the Germans and this guy has ran over 450 in straight.

Sleeper pick:
Earl, although getting old,if he wakes up,watch out!



E.Reyes 7/1
A.Pagulayan 15/2
F.Bustamante 10/1
F-P.Chao 16/1
C-S.Yang 16/1
J.Archer 20/1
R.Morris 20/1
E.Strickland 22/1
H-K.Hsia 25/1
R.Souquet 33/1
W.Kiamco 33/1
L.Van Corteza 33/1
M.Immonen 33/1
J.Jones 33/1
O.Ortmann 40/1
C.Deuel 40/1
R.Luat 40/1
M.Chamat 40/1
T.Hohmann 40/1
D.Orcullo 50/1
R.Gallego 50/1
C.Williams 50/1
T.Robles 66/1
N.Feijen 66/1
J.Parica 66/1
G.Owen 66/1
T.Engert 66/1
S.Kawabata 66/1
C-C.Kang 66/1
C-C.Wu 80/1
P-W.Chang 80/1
C-W.Fu 80/1
K.Takahashi 80/1
T.Okumura 100/1
J-H.Jeong 100/1
S-Y.Park 100/1
E.Dominguez 150/1
S.Davis 200/1
I.Paez 200/1
I.Majid 200/1
M.Eberle 200/1
A.Lining 200/1
D.Alcaide 250/1
N.Bergendorff 250/1
Each Way 1/4 1-2-3-4
Others On Request

http://www.stanjames.com/betnav/sportview.asp?sID=237.2&Name=Pool
 
My favorites to finish high are:

1) Corey Deuel

2) Fong Pang Chao

3) Francisco Bustamante

4) Ralf Souquet

Chris
 
recoveryjones said:
Here the betting odds a bookmaker in England is offering for the upcoming World Pool Championships.I'm not going to bet,howver, based on these odds what three players would you guys bet on and (briefly) why?Include a longshot pick to make it interesting.

My choices:

Alex Pagulayan:
There never has been a back to back 9 ball world champion with the new international format.Alex has finished 1st and 2nd in the last two and his proven he can withstand the pressure of a major.

Chin Sung Yang:

Playing on his home turf, he'll have the crowd behind him.He is definitly one of the most gifted talented players on the planet and recently won on the Asian tour against formidable competition.Pool is already huge in Asia, if he wins it'll be monsterous.

Thomas Engert:

This is my longshot pick,however, is he really an longshot? At 66-1 he is definitly worth betting on.Last year he had a breakout year winning the World Pool Masters(against the very best selected competition) and the International tournament of champions.Ortmann and Hohmann consider him the strongest of the Germans and this guy has ran over 450 in straight.

Sleeper pick:
Earl, although getting old,if he wakes up,watch out!



E.Reyes 7/1
A.Pagulayan 15/2
F.Bustamante 10/1
F-P.Chao 16/1
C-S.Yang 16/1
J.Archer 20/1
R.Morris 20/1
E.Strickland 22/1
H-K.Hsia 25/1
R.Souquet 33/1
W.Kiamco 33/1
L.Van Corteza 33/1
M.Immonen 33/1
J.Jones 33/1
O.Ortmann 40/1
C.Deuel 40/1
R.Luat 40/1
M.Chamat 40/1
T.Hohmann 40/1
D.Orcullo 50/1
R.Gallego 50/1
C.Williams 50/1
T.Robles 66/1
N.Feijen 66/1
J.Parica 66/1
G.Owen 66/1
T.Engert 66/1
S.Kawabata 66/1
C-C.Kang 66/1
C-C.Wu 80/1
P-W.Chang 80/1
C-W.Fu 80/1
K.Takahashi 80/1
T.Okumura 100/1
J-H.Jeong 100/1
S-Y.Park 100/1
E.Dominguez 150/1
S.Davis 200/1
I.Paez 200/1
I.Majid 200/1
M.Eberle 200/1
A.Lining 200/1
D.Alcaide 250/1
N.Bergendorff 250/1
Each Way 1/4 1-2-3-4
Others On Request

http://www.stanjames.com/betnav/sportview.asp?sID=237.2&Name=Pool
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Feijen and Engert both at 66 to 1 !!!! I love those
odds! Deuel at 40 to 1 is a great bet as well.
But Steve Davis at 200 to 1 is insane, is that a
misprint?
 
Immonen. He has been in dead stroke lately. And he has already a lot of success in Asia in different tournaments...

EDIT: Also, if looking at some large odds, I'd pick Engert, Owen and Lining.
 
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What A Lineup

mjantti said:
Immonen. He has been in dead stroke lately. And he has already a lot of success in Asia in different tournaments...

EDIT: Also, if looking at some large odds, I'd pick Engert, Owen and Lining.
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What a fantastic lineup of the world's great 9 ball players....for the long odds I would place a modest bet on Deuel, Immonen,Owen, and Hohman.

A slightly larger bet would go to Archer, Strickland, and Morris.

With the number of different tournaments all around the world these days, it's great to see all these elite professionals all in one place...I just wish I could be there to spectate....Can anyone think of any top professional who is missing here?
 
wahcheck said:
What a fantastic lineup of the world's great 9 ball players....for the long odds I would place a modest bet on Deuel, Immonen,Owen, and Hohman.

A slightly larger bet would go to Archer, Strickland, and Morris.

With the number of different tournaments all around the world these days, it's great to see all these elite professionals all in one place...I just wish I could be there to spectate....Can anyone think of any top professional who is missing here?
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I don't see Nick VanDenberg's name there.

I'm surprised they have Warren Kiamco at shorter odds
then Corey Deuel. Nothing against Kiamco, but Corey
would be one of my top 5 picks to win the event.
 
wahcheck said:
What a fantastic lineup of the world's great 9 ball players....for the long odds I would place a modest bet on Deuel, Immonen,Owen, and Hohman.

A slightly larger bet would go to Archer, Strickland, and Morris.

With the number of different tournaments all around the world these days, it's great to see all these elite professionals all in one place...I just wish I could be there to spectate....Can anyone think of any top professional who is missing here?
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Yeah, I mostly cheer for the underdogs. Too many top players are eliminated in the WPC in the single elimination where anyone can run 4-6 racks. That's why I think betting on the low-odd favourites is a waste of money. There are at least 50 players who can lift the title if they happen to be in good form through the whole week. Last 2 years have seen a surprise winner... (yes, I think Alex' victory was a slight surprise, not over Chang, but over the whole field).

To be honest, picking 10 lowest odd Taiwanese players for the champion wouldn't be a bad choice at all... Last year was a good practice for the Taiwanese top guns and they are more comfortable shooting in front of their home crowd this year. For instance Yang looked like a nerve-wreck last year. I doubt that's going to continue this year.
 
rj you're killing me with this reminder. before last year's started, i almost put down $50 on alex at 26-1, but chickened out.
 
Gosh, no one likes the Wu/Fu duo with those odds? My conservative bet would be Yang and Deuel. My longshots would be Engert and Gallego. ;)
 
I'm not looking for a new face in the winner's circle. I look for Chao or Hohmann to win another WPC title.
 
My overall favorites to win not considering the betting odds are these two.

Archer: Long overdue to win another WPC, as good as anyone out there and he is kind of under the radar compared to others.

Chin-Shun Yang: He has the sledgehammer break and multiple rack runout potential to go all the way. Total confidence in himself helps huge in this tourney as well.

Taking the odds into account is tough, they changed drastically from what was posted originally and what I now see on that link.

Chia Chang Wu was a phenomenal purchase at 80/1, he is now 22/1 and is not really a great bet anymore.

Pe Wei Chang at 80/1 is a decent purchase, the guy made the finals (so he can play) last year and if lightning strikes twice then he will be the champ this year.

Rudolpho Luat at 40/1 is not a bad buy. He has already won the WPC and therefore does not have the huge pressure those who have never won it have on them to get the title. He is also a guy that I dont think we have seen the last of.

Niels Feijen is a nice buy at 66/1. Steady player who proved in the huge Japan event with the 1 million dollar purse he can pull out some serious game when the stakes are high.

Thats all for now. I would like to see a complete list, there are some darkhorse Canadians that will have huge odds that are virtually unknown and may surprise some people. Not likely to win but at 250/1 or more they could be fun to watch for a $5 bet and are not actually beyond hope.
 
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Celtic said:
My overall favorites to win not considering the betting odds are these two.

Archer: Long overdue to win another WPC, as good as anyone out there and he is kind of under the radar compared to others.

Chin-Shun Yang: He has the sledgehammer break and multiple rack runout potential to go all the way. Total confidence in himself helps huge in this tourney as well.

Taking the odds into account is tough, they changed drastically from what was posted originally and what I now see on that link.

Chia Chang Wu was a phenomenal purchase at 80/1, he is now 22/1 and is not really a great bet anymore.

Pe Wei Chang at 80/1 is a decent purchase, the guy made the finals (so he can play) last year and if lightning strikes twice then he will be the champ this year.

Rudolpho Luat at 40/1 is not a bad buy. He has already won the WPC and therefore does not have the huge pressure those who have never won it have on them to get the title. He is also a guy that I dont think we have seen the last of.

Niels Feijen is a nice buy at 66/1. Steady player who proved in the huge Japan event with the 1 million dollar purse he can pull out some serious game when the stakes are high.

Thats all for now. I would like to see a complete list, there are some darkhorse Canadians that will have huge odds that are virtually unknown and may surprise some people. Not likely to win but at 250/1 or more they could be fun to watch for a $5 bet and are not actually beyond hope.
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I'm really surprised at the odds for some of these great players.....If only I could bet from here....nothing big....maybe lay out a hundred bucks with a $10 bet spread out among `10 long-odds players......it would be a nice win.....look what happened in the Kentucky Derby....50-1 shot takes 1st and 70-1 shot took 2nd(?).........
 
Yang would definitely be the favorite although i'd like to see bustamante win this time around. it's a surprise he got those odds considering he hasn't really been playing well lately.....
 
telkwa said:
rj you're killing me with this reminder. before last year's started, i almost put down $50 on alex at 26-1, but chickened out.
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OUCH!!!!!!

I've done simuliar stuff myself.RJ
 
Renegade said:
Yang would definitely be the favorite although i'd like to see bustamante win this time around. it's a surprise he got those odds considering he hasn't really been playing well lately.....
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Actually, AZ reports seem to point out Bustamante is playing very well this year. He's the third in earnings so far, right under Corey and Efren, and he's won the All Filipino Billiards Championship over Pagulayan.

I look for a new face to win this year because there are so many players who haven't yet won a WPC, but play at or near the level of the other 13 world champions. That would include Yang, Busta, Corey Deuel, Feijen, Hsia, and more Taiwanese and Filipino darkhorses than we could ever be aware of in the West. The 2004 WPC seemed to point in that direction since many of the high places ended up in the hands of unknown Taiwanese players. My bet is, they won't be unknowns for long.

Question: What year did Luat win the WPC? And why is his name not on the WPA site. Was the WPC sanctioned by a different organization in the past?
 
I would bet $50 on Archer because at 20-1 that's a nice price. Last year he was in contention and a bad rack at hill-hill cost him.

I might throw $20 on Williams or Fiejen because i like the price against the talent. I would definately throw $10 on Max Eberle at 200-1. I'd hedge with a $20 bet on Bustamante, who I happen to think is the best nine-ball player in the game. Efren's break is too weak, IMO, for him to be only a 7-1 favorite against that field on that equipment.

Anyways, that's how I'd spend $100.
 
Here are my Picks:
Gabe Owen
Thomas Engert
Johnny Archer
Neils Feijen
Pei-Wei Chang
Chia-Ching Wu.

Those are my picks, I'll place $20 on each.
 
Who here is actually going to bet on WPC? I myself will make a few small bets because it makes it so much funner and it's a great event, the biggest in the pool business.

At the moment I'm looking at placing wagers on:

Marcus Chamat- he makes the late stages year in and year out, he won't choke under pressure he's used to playing high stakes pool.

Johnny Archer- made it deep last year and was so close to making the semi-finals, like Chamat he's consistent and cool under pressure.

Oliver Ortmann- former champion that could snap it off if he's in stroke, he drew Efren last year in the L32 which stopped him from getting to the late stages but still a good bet IMO.


If Chang Pei-Wei is still at 80/1 odds when I go to bet, I think I will have no choice but to put a wager down on him.
 
mjantti said:
Last 2 years have seen a surprise winner... (yes, I think Alex' victory was a slight surprise, not over Chang, but over the whole field).
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Hi Mjantti, I 'm kinda surprised that you thought Alex's victory was a surprise considering he came second the year before and also second at another major tournament, the US Open a few years before that.This guys a proven Major tournament player and look for him to be right in the thick of things once again.

Pee Wei chang was the big surprise,perhaps not even rated a top fiver(or ten) in his own country.He had a fabouluous break working for him on the TV table, however, his jab stroke(1-2 inch backswing) did him in when the pressure increased in the final.I'd be astonished if he made the top 16 or even 32 next year. RJ
 
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