BHE Rules!

[Colin Colenso]

I'm not claiming to know all the rules of using BHE, but I want to open a discussion on the variables of BHE and how to adjust to them such that this interesting aiming, shooting tool can be better understood and developed into a more comprehensive system.

Most of my points here haave been discussed in recent threads. For those who don't know much about Back Hand English (BHE) use the search function or search google for some insights.

First point for using BHE is to establish your cue's Pivot Point. (Lets say 10" for an example, which corresponds to a good bridge length).

Rule 1: When playing with OE aim thicker or lengthen bridge a few inches.

Rule 2: When playing with IE, aim thinner or shorten bridge a few inches.

Rule 3: When playing at speed, aim thinner or shorten bridge a few inches.

Rule 4: When playing soft, aim a bit thinner or lengthen the bridge an inch.

Rule 5: When hitting with soft draw or elevated cue such that swerve becomes more significant, lengthen bridge an extra 2 inches or aim a bit away from the swerve direction.

Rule 6: These rules are additional, such that a power shot with OE, shorten bridge for speed and lengten for throw so the two cancel out and a 1o" bridge could work. Or for a soft IE shot, you need to shorten for the IE throw and then lengthen a little for the soften which adds throw, so a 9" bridge may do. For a soft OE shot, you need to lengthen for both slow speed and for throw, such that a 14" bridge is the best position to align and then stroke from.

Any comments or additional rules?

 

[Jaden]

to limit swerve and masse effect.

All I do to limit the effect of swerve on 11,1, 4, 7,8 oclock shots, is to lower or raise my bridge for the follow and draw portion of the english.

If you pivot entirely from center shot then it will be off, but if you raise your entire cue and still stroke as straight as possible through the cue you don't have to manually adjust.

That's one of things I mean when I say you have to stroke straight through the CB for BHE

 

[recoveryjones]

I'm not claiming to know all the rules of using BHE, but I want to open a discussion on the variables of BHE and how to adjust to them such that this interesting aiming, shooting tool can be better understood and developed into a more comprehensive system.

Most of my points here haave been discussed in recent threads. For those who don't know much about Back Hand English (BHE) use the search function or search google for some insights.

First point for using BHE is to establish your cue's Pivot Point. (Lets say 10" for an example, which corresponds to a good bridge length).

Rule 1: When playing with OE aim thicker or lengthen bridge a few inches.

Rule 2: When playing with IE, aim thinner or shorten bridge a few inches.

Rule 3: When playing at speed, aim thinner or shorten bridge a few inches.

Rule 4: When playing soft, aim a bit thinner or lengthen the bridge an inch.

Rule 5: When hitting with soft draw or elevated cue such that swerve becomes more significant, lengthen bridge an extra 2 inches or aim a bit away from the swerve direction.

Rule 6: These rules are additional, such that a power shot with OE, shorten bridge for speed and lengten for throw so the two cancel out and a 1o" bridge could work. Or for a soft IE shot, you need to shorten for the IE throw and then lengthen a little for the soften which adds throw, so a 9" bridge may do. For a soft OE shot, you need to lengthen for both slow speed and for throw, such that a 14" bridge is the best position to align and then stroke from.

Any comments or additional rules?

Intresting info.

I use three kinds on english. BHE, tuck and roll, and standard english, depending on which shot I'm faced with.

With BHE I haven't got as techincal as you've explained above.I use a short bridge for some power shots, a long bridge for slow finnesse shots and a meduim bridge for all others.

I will be open-minded to all your suggestions and set up all the varying shots you've mentioned and try varying bridge lengths to see what works for me, my stroke and my cue.

Thanks a lot for your post.
RJ

 

[Gabber]

Rule 6: These rules are additional, such that a power shot with OE, shorten bridge for speed and lengten for throw so the two cancel out and a 1o" bridge could work. Or for a soft IE shot, you need to shorten for the IE throw and then lengthen a little for the soften which adds throw, so a 9" bridge may do. For a soft OE shot, you need to lengthen for both slow speed and for throw, such that a 14" bridge is the best position to align and then stroke from.

Any comments or additional rules?

Yes, I have a comment Colin.......I think youre losing it.
For your own good,
"TAKE YOUR HANDS OFF THE KEYBOARD AND STEP AWAY FROM THE PC'".

Gabber

 

[Colin Colenso]

Intresting info.

I use three kinds on english. BHE, tuck and roll, and standard english, depending on which shot I'm faced with.

With BHE I haven't got as techincal as you've explained above.I use a short bridge for some power shots, a long bridge for slow finnesse shots and a meduim bridge for all others.

I will be open-minded to all your suggestions and set up all the varying shots you've mentioned and try varying bridge lengths to see what works for me, my stroke and my cue.

Thanks a lot for your post.
RJ

Let me know the results of your testing!

btw: I should add a rule for using tuck and roll.

Rule 7: When using tuck or roll, lengthen bridge by a few inches.

So imagine you have a an outside english shot that you want to play slowly with draw and with maximum side using a bit of swipe.

Bridge length may have to be extended by 10 inches or more due to rules 1, 4, 5 and 7. (Probably easier to just aim a bit thicker and use a standard brige length for control).

 

[Colin Colenso]

Yes, I have a comment Colin.......I think youre losing it.
For your own good,
"TAKE YOUR HANDS OFF THE KEYBOARD AND STEP AWAY FROM THE PC'".

Gabber

haha, maybe I am losing it

I've chased many dead ends in trying to work out how things actually work and looking for easier prediction methods.

One way to get better is to just play and play and adjust and memorize how to adjust for every shot. But this way has some limits and it doesn't suit the way my brain works

I feel I am pretty close to knowing exactly why I miss on any shot and being able to correct that in a systematic way. I can make just about any pot with any type of CB spin with pretty high consistancy now.

But I do need to program this system into my mind so that it becomes a more natural part of my play, so then I can just get on the table and dedicate my thoughts to controlling the CB and making the outs.

I just found it necessary to understand adjustments for BHE because without them, shots miss, and if I don't know how to adjust, then in matches I would try to avoid these shots or play them in a way that reduces my positional options.

In competition play, you don't want to play shots that you aren't very confident of executing. I want as many shots in that arsenal as I can.

You see guys who's only arsenal is the slow roll pot. And others that stick mostly to center ball aiming. Such players have reduced options, a severe handicap.

 

[recoveryjones]

haha, maybe I am losing it

I've chased many dead ends in trying to work out how things actually work and looking for easier prediction methods.

One way to get better is to just play and play and adjust and memorize how to adjust for every shot. But this way has some limits and it doesn't suit the way my brain works

I feel I am pretty close to knowing exactly why I miss on any shot and being able to correct that in a systematic way. I can make just about any pot with any type of CB spin with pretty high consistancy now.

But I do need to program this system into my mind so that it becomes a more natural part of my play, so then I can just get on the table and dedicate my thoughts to controlling the CB and making the outs.

I just found it necessary to understand adjustments for BHE because without them, shots miss, and if I don't know how to adjust, then in matches I would try to avoid these shots or play them in a way that reduces my positional options.

In competition play, you don't want to play shots that you aren't very confident of executing. I want as many shots in that arsenal as I can.

You see guys who's only arsenal is the slow roll pot. And others that stick mostly to center ball aiming. Such players have reduced options, a severe handicap.

Good to know that there is another analitical nut on board like me.LOL

I'm becoming a much better banker by making adjustments off of full ball bank shots and experimenting with all different english and speed applications with banks that aren't full ball hits.My expermentation is paying off.perhaps I'll go really anal with it and try different bridge length/BHE applications.

Once systems and calculations are learned, I find that "feel" can be much more easily obtained. Some pool players are gifted with feel, while others need to do what you and I are doing.

RJ

..... Oh my God.....I'm suffering from a case of Collinitis.


ps. Can anyone tell me why my smiley face options don't work when I press them???

 

[Colin Colenso]

Good to know that there is another analitical nut on board like me.LOL

I'm becoming a much better banker by making adjustments off of full ball bank shots and experimenting with all different english and speed applications with banks that aren't full ball hits.My expermentation is paying off.perhaps I'll go really anal with it and try different bridge length/BHE applications.

Once systems and calculations are learned, I find that "feel" can be much more easily obtained. Some pool players are gifted with feel, while others need to do what you and I are doing.

RJ

..... Oh my God.....I'm suffering from a case of Collinitis.


ps. Can anyone tell me why my smiley face options don't work when I press them???

Are you clicking on the smiley faces to the upper right? Not the ones below.

btw: Good luck with that terrible disease

 

[onepocketchump]

Good lord, just play. Here is what to do, just decide on one method of aiming and get on with playing.

I woud freak out if I had to think of all these adjustments every time I stepped to the table. Makes me wonder how anyone ever excelled at pool before all the books, videos, computer diagrams and internet discussions.

I am all for more knowledge. I also believe in paralysis by analysis. Balance is the key.

John

 

[Ronoh]

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You have a great conception if your practicing those rules day in and day out.

You're on a great start of understanding, in your own way, but I understand what you're saying.

I hope our paths meet in the future

Nice read, and I learned a little about you too.