Thank you. That difference was right in front of me and I spaced it completely.
My apologies.
BIH in the kitchen
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Thank you. That difference was right in front of me and I spaced it completely.
My apologies.
Exactly!
Thorsten's first response showed what you have to do with ball in hand in the kitchen. He crossed the head string, cue to the bottom and up into the kitchen. minus one.
His second response showed what you can do without ball in hand. Hit it anywhere you want. minus two and Gottier is at the table on two fouls.
Same rules.
so if this happens during the 3 Foul Sequence which is 15+3 (18 total) would it result in a 30 + 3 (33 total) ?
-Steve
It's really interesting to read all the replies here, certainly seems that everything is not 100% clear between what people are saying here and the French players on Facebook.
My shot was similar to Thorsten's first foul in that video, although I used a different method to leave the kitchen and come back in (plus I had BIH to start with).
I think everyone agrees that a player does not have to shoot at the balls following a scratch if he has no shot or risks selling out, because otherwise the opponent who scratched gets an advantage! You could imagine players intentionally scratching (either directly or caroming in the CB off another ball) just to put their opponent in a tricky situation, which would be farcical.
However, I don't think anyone wants to see a player in the BIH situation tap the CB one inch to corner-hook the opponent. BTW doing that may be easy for some players, but I can certainly picture myself unintentionally scratching by attempting it! So it's kinda a risky shot to take in itself. If you pull it off however, the opponent is going to be in a pickle and kicking at the balls. Whether that is fair or not I can't really make up my mind on that.
Another solution I thought of would be that when a player scratches in 14.1, the opponent has the choice to either take BIH in the kitchen OR force the player who scratched to take BIH in the kitchen. In that scenario, the CB would have to leave the kitchen. It would make the number of innings uneven between the two players, but could take away the grey area we seem to have.
My shot was similar to Thorsten's first foul in that video, although I used a different method to leave the kitchen and come back in (plus I had BIH to start with).
I think everyone agrees that a player does not have to shoot at the balls following a scratch if he has no shot or risks selling out, because otherwise the opponent who scratched gets an advantage! You could imagine players intentionally scratching (either directly or caroming in the CB off another ball) just to put their opponent in a tricky situation, which would be farcical.
However, I don't think anyone wants to see a player in the BIH situation tap the CB one inch to corner-hook the opponent. BTW doing that may be easy for some players, but I can certainly picture myself unintentionally scratching by attempting it! So it's kinda a risky shot to take in itself. If you pull it off however, the opponent is going to be in a pickle and kicking at the balls. Whether that is fair or not I can't really make up my mind on that.
Another solution I thought of would be that when a player scratches in 14.1, the opponent has the choice to either take BIH in the kitchen OR force the player who scratched to take BIH in the kitchen. In that scenario, the CB would have to leave the kitchen. It would make the number of innings uneven between the two players, but could take away the grey area we seem to have.
Not sure what the French are doing, but I think it is clear what the rest of the world is doing.
You might message Bob Jewett here. I believe he was on the rules committee the last time the rules were changed. If you have any suggestions for rule changes, I am sure he would welcome discussion.
