Billy Thorpe conceded with 7 balls left.

How do you guys feel about conceding with class instead of raking the balls? Say after leaving your opponent wide open after a miss walking over congratulating him and shake his hand. Still it's not the best business move to concede but when done correctly I see no harm. But this only counts for a match not a single game! I learned my lessons lol
 
puma122 said:
Lots of funny comments on here. I watched the match, and saw the game. (I had no sound but could see the concession) Conceding a hill\hill match with 7 balls on the table is absolutely incredible to me. I do not care how good my opponent is, I'm watching that run out. Anything can happen.

Perhaps he was mad about not cleaning up. Perhaps he knew the other guy was out. Probably both true thoughts...but watch to see.

I am guessing Billy is kicking himself for that heat of the moment decision. I bet he does not do it again....

As for unsportsmanlike behaivor comments? No way. That was a concession of the match. No sharking, no bad behavior, just not a smart move imo...end of story.
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I have no idea of the format this place had going, but if there were paying spectators I do personally feel it's easy to call it unsportsmanlike. If they were gambling I'd agree he can do whatever he wants with the balls as he concedes as the entire premise is about winning or losing the game. When paying spectators are involved it's more complicated.
 
Each to his own.

Showing class is always in style.


JoeyA


mvp said:
How do you guys feel about conceding with class instead of raking the balls? Say after leaving your opponent wide open after a miss walking over congratulating him and shake his hand. Still it's not the best business move to concede but when done correctly I see no harm. But this only counts for a match not a single game! I learned my lessons lol
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pt109 said:
Brian, it's your fault for Eric's passionate enthusiasm of his home state...
..you created a thread years ago calling Ohio the epicenter of pool....
...and he's been O-high-o ever since.

Reap what you sow
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I'm impressed with your recall, sir.

seriously! :bow-down:
 
Ekojasiloop said:
I have no idea of the format this place had going, but if there were paying spectators I do personally feel it's easy to call it unsportsmanlike. If they were gambling I'd agree he can do whatever he wants with the balls as he concedes as the entire premise is about winning or losing the game. When paying spectators are involved it's more complicated.
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That's a fair comment. This tournament is held in a Casino, and anyone can walk in to watch. The only component of someone else being impacted, is the folks that bet on the competitors via a Calcutta. In my opinion, that has nothing to do with the sportsmanship of the move. You place your bets, and live with the results. If I was his friend, had placed money on him, I'd say to him...let the guy run it out...but in the end, I placed my money on the guy, and the guy can do whatever he wants. Clearly, he's not throwing the game....
 
puma122 said:
That's a fair comment. This tournament is held in a Casino, and anyone can walk in to watch. The only component of someone else being impacted, is the folks that bet on the competitors via a Calcutta. In my opinion, that has nothing to do with the sportsmanship of the move. You place your bets, and live with the results. If I was his friend, had placed money on him, I'd say to him...let the guy run it out...but in the end, I placed my money on the guy, and the guy can do whatever he wants. Clearly, he's not throwing the game....
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Pretty good stuff right here.

If player A pays his own bills, he calls his own shots. If he doesn't want to watch the guy run out, he doesn't have to.

With respect to spectators - if you are a fan of a person that does something like this you have the option to not be a fan of them anymore

With respect to someone who has this person in a calcutta - if your horse has a history or the tendency to rake the balls maybe you should have chose a different horse, or maybe take up something less speculative than gambling.
 
billiardthought said:
Pretty good stuff right here.

If player A pays his own bills, he calls his own shots. If he doesn't want to watch the guy run out, he doesn't have to.

With respect to spectators - if you are a fan of a person that does something like this you have the option to not be a fan of them anymore

With respect to someone who has this person in a calcutta - if your horse has a history or the tendency to rake the balls maybe you should have chose a different horse, or maybe take up something less speculative than gambling.
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All very true. But what a defeatist attitude to have for a player. Man, you watch a baseball game down to the last strike... I mean, anyone can bobble an easy ground ball, just ask Bill Buckner ;) Good thing that team didn't walk off the field and just give them the win !!
 
Help me understand something...


In professional snooker, the vast majority of frames are conceded, even though technically, there's always a chance for player who is behind to come back with successful snookers. But, the absolute normal play is a concession when the frame is all but over, barring a miraculous brain fart by the player in the lead of that frame.

Seems perfectly acceptable for snooker. Isn't snooker a better analogy than sports that aren't cue sports?

In match play golf, conceding holes is absolutely normal. When the late, great Payne Steward conceded a long putt to Colin Montgomerie ('99 Ryder Cup), there were resounding cheers and kudos for great sportsmanship. Nobody felt ripped off as fans. Steward set aside any personal accomplishments as the US completed a phenomenal team win, and he didn't think Montgomerie needed to have any additional stress put on him (his Euro team just lost, and he was always getting heat from the gallery).
 
Cornerman said:
Help me understand something...


In professional snooker, the vast majority of frames are conceded, even though technically, there's always a chance for player who is behind to come back with successful snookers. But, the absolute normal play is a concession when the frame is all but over, barring a miraculous brain fart by the player in the lead of that frame.

Seems perfectly acceptable for snooker. Isn't snooker a better analogy than sports that aren't cue sports?

In match play golf, conceding holes is absolutely normal. When the late, great Payne Steward conceded a long putt to Colin Montgomerie ('99 Ryder Cup), there were resounding cheers and kudos for great sportsmanship. Nobody felt ripped off as fans. Steward set aside any personal accomplishments as the US completed a phenomenal team win, and he didn't think Montgomerie needed to have any additional stress put on him (his Euro team just lost, and he was always getting heat from the gallery).
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Wait stop that doesn't fit the current AZ mentality. Where's your pitchfork at anyway?
 
Cornerman said:
In match play golf, conceding holes is absolutely normal. When the late, great Payne Steward conceded a long putt to Colin Montgomerie ('99 Ryder Cup), there were resounding cheers and kudos for great sportsmanship. Nobody felt ripped off as fans. Steward set aside any personal accomplishments as the US completed a phenomenal team win, and he didn't think Montgomerie needed to have any additional stress put on him (his Euro team just lost, and he was always getting heat from the gallery).
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This is an interesting point that I was thinking about myself...

From a spectator's point of view, a 6-inch putt is not interesting. The action is in watching how a player gets there.

By contrast the money ball in pool is interesting even if it's an easy shot, along with the shots leading up to it. There is beauty and enjoyment in watching the balls disappear off the table and seeing the player make the 9-ball.

There's a reason you don't see opponents throw in the towel for the colors in snooker even when a game is lost, and that's because spectators would get pissed. It's fun to watch a player run the table.

The better corollary to the example in this thread would be if in the Ryder Cup, Rory McIlroy missed a putt and then kicked Jordan Spieth's ball in frustration, conceding the hole in the process. He would look like a brat, just like people who rake the balls on the table do.
 
I'm surprised that some are viewing this as forum members just finding another excuse to rip on a player. Especially since some of these same people like action and betting.

Imagine that you had made a sizable wager on Billy, and then he starts conceding entire games and knocking balls off the table. I say, he's probably not someone that I would bet on unless I see a much more professional behavior out of him. He's now a loose cannon in my book and too risky to bet on.

Remember, we're supposed to be talking about PROFESSIONAL players, so I say that they need to start acting more like professionals and treat this more like a sport.
 
Cornerman said:
In match play golf, conceding holes is absolutely normal. When the late, great Payne Steward conceded a long putt to Colin Montgomerie ('99 Ryder Cup), there were resounding cheers and kudos for great sportsmanship. Nobody felt ripped off as fans. Steward set aside any personal accomplishments as the US completed a phenomenal team win, and he didn't think Montgomerie needed to have any additional stress put on him (his Euro team just lost, and he was always getting heat from the gallery).
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So, Payne let the guy on the losing team have a "freebie" ;)

If he needed that for the win, I'm guessing he does not give it to him :)
 
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