BJJ (Brazilian Jiu Jitsu)and Pool

Baxter said:
It seems clear to me that you haven't really watched any decent amount of Mixed Martial Arts with the claims and assertions that you are making. I've watched since the beginning, and I've participated. MMA is as real as it gets, don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise. Just for an example, the link below is to the medical suspensions after UFC 159 this past weekend.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/UFC-159-Medical-Suspensions-Jon-Jones-Out-Indefinitely-with-Broken-Toe-52105
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yeah, thats about right!
 
Sloppy Pockets said:
Did you expect them to have a full-out fight at a public expo? lol Tai Chi responds with only as much speed and power as is used by the opponent. If the guy throwing the punches threw them at full speed and power, he just might have gotten his neck broke when that power was used against him. If anything, IMO the guy in the video was being gentle with the student. I've been put into many of those holds by master practitioners. You can't do a damn thing but fold to the ground once you are in their control, and you don't feel the trap until you are already in it and it's too late. It's stupefying, and pretty embarrassing, dangling and flopping like a fish while a guy half your size holds you there with no effort while he smiles and talks to the onlookers.

I don't recall UFC 1, was it a supposed Tai Chi master against a BJJ artist? I do remember, however, renting like 5 of the first tapes that came out on VHS about 10-15 years ago. Time after time, I slowed the tape down and watched as a "defenseless" opponent lay on his back and received multiple head punches... that all missed the mark. Yet, the ref stopped the "fight".

There was one time where a guy delivered a "knockout" punch (more invisible in slow-mo than the infamous punch Ali threw against Liston) that sent the opponent frozen and motionless but semi-upright against the side of the octagon, like a still figure in a macabre tableau. I have seen hundreds of real knockouts in boxing matches, and have never seen one time where a guy that was unconscious and motionless laid anywhere but flat on the canvas. Too many other similar things for me to ever take this stuff seriously.

I'm not saying that some of these guys don't possess world-class fighting skills, I just don't think they actually use them with real intent in these most of these matches. There'd be a lot more guys leaving on stretchers if they did.
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Please tell me you are not serious.
 
I am a green belt in American Kenpo Karate. The biggest positive for my pool game through my training has been concentration. Also, throughout the training, I was introduced to various 'principles' that can enhance your game as well.
 
BrooklynJay said:
BJJ is great and there's a lot of aspects about it that would help anyone's pool game. As long as you train smartly it's shouldn't hurt your pool game at all.

I would recommend tapping early when caught in kimuras and armbars since they can sprain your elbows and shoulders. I would also watch my grips with the gi and try and not get your fingers caught accidentally. I've had all of these minor injuries and it sidelined my pool game a little bit.
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Agreed. This is one of the biggest mistakes people make. They try to tough things out too much. Being a "tough guy" just gets something tweaked, broken, or someone slapping your face to wake you up a couple seconds later. As soon as you know somoene has a kimura locked in, your arm straight with your thumb up, or you knee straighted out, just tap and strart over.

Also, I'm not sure what everyone's gym policy is, but if I were just starting, I'd stay away from toe holds and ankle locks until you have some pretty good idea of when you're in one. Unlike arm/knee bars, kimuras and chokes, you don't feel a lot of pain with ankle locks and toe holds until after your tendons could already be in trouble. The gyms I've been part of usually have a strict policy against beginners using or being put in these holds. Limping around for 3 months will definitely hurt your pool game.

Also, as others have stated, be prepared to be sore and bruised everyday. BJJ isn't like karate or TKD where you can learn it without somoene putting their hands on you.
 
Sloppy Pockets said:
Did you expect them to have a full-out fight at a public expo? lol Tai Chi responds with only as much speed and power as is used by the opponent. If the guy throwing the punches threw them at full speed and power, he just might have gotten his neck broke when that power was used against him. If anything, IMO the guy in the video was being gentle with the student. I've been put into many of those holds by master practitioners. You can't do a damn thing but fold to the ground once you are in their control, and you don't feel the trap until you are already in it and it's too late. It's stupefying, and pretty embarrassing, dangling and flopping like a fish while a guy half your size holds you there with no effort while he smiles and talks to the onlookers.

I don't recall UFC 1, was it a supposed Tai Chi master against a BJJ artist? I do remember, however, renting like 5 of the first tapes that came out on VHS about 10-15 years ago. Time after time, I slowed the tape down and watched as a "defenseless" opponent lay on his back and received multiple head punches... that all missed the mark. Yet, the ref stopped the "fight".

There was one time where a guy delivered a "knockout" punch (more invisible in slow-mo than the infamous punch Ali threw against Liston) that sent the opponent frozen and motionless but semi-upright against the side of the octagon, like a still figure in a macabre tableau. I have seen hundreds of real knockouts in boxing matches, and have never seen one time where a guy that was unconscious and motionless laid anywhere but flat on the canvas. Too many other similar things for me to ever take this stuff seriously.

I'm not saying that some of these guys don't possess world-class fighting skills, I just don't think they actually use them with real intent in these most of these matches. There'd be a lot more guys leaving on stretchers if they did.
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You clearly have no experience with or idea of what you're talking about. I've personally seen people unconscious against a cage wall several times.
 
SterlingArcher said:
Agreed. This is one of the biggest mistakes people make. They try to tough things out too much. Being a "tough guy" just gets something tweaked, broken, or someone slapping your face to wake you up a couple seconds later. As soon as you know somoene has a kimura locked in, your arm straight with your thumb up, or you knee straighted out, just tap and strart over.



Also, as others have stated, be prepared to be sore and bruised everyday. BJJ isn't like karate or TKD where you can learn it without somoene putting their hands on you.
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This is a lesson Small Cirlce has taught me time and time again.




Ain't that the truth...

Pete
 
Taco said:
I imagine it wouldn’t hurt but I have a hard time seeing how it would help, unless you’re down $10k and want to make a run for it. Muscling is about the worst thing you can do for your pool stroke.
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Dumbest thing Ive heard in a while. I used to regularly work out 3-4 times a week with heavy free weights. Other than the soreness following the workout for the next couple of hours, I saw no decline in my game because of it. I actually played my best pool when I was the biggest I ever was and was sticking to a regular workout plan.
 
I tried knitting once but I soon found out that playing pool was better for my game.

I think BJJ is too big of a bone committment to actually help. How about jogging. Important thing to to be in condition.

--Jeff
 
Masirib5 said:
I tried knitting once but I soon found out that playing pool was better for my game.

I think BJJ is too big of a bone committment to actually help. How about jogging. Important thing to to be in condition.

--Jeff
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Perhaps, but I was and am a Martial Artist at my core. And need to follow my soul. I know some will suggest Ti Chi, but that's not my speed...
 
Pete said:
Perhaps, but I was and am a Martial Artist at my core. And need to follow my soul. I know some will suggest Ti Chi, but that's not my speed...
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Can you explain how exactly you are a martial artist at your core but you don't know if BJJ will help you or not?

If you know your speed then why ask that kind of a question in your original post?

Doesn't make sense (to me).

--Jeff
 
Masirib5 said:
Can you explain how exactly you are a martial artist at your core but you don't know if BJJ will help you or not?

If you know your speed then why ask that kind of a question in your original post?

Doesn't make sense (to me).

--Jeff
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I trained for voer 20 years in a Traditional Korean style and I only took up pool back in 2002. The styles are like apples and oranges. The training is quite diffrent form the research I have done so far. I was curoius to hear from people who have started training in BJJ, and if it effected their play (mostly on the negative end).

Does this help you undersatnd my origanal question???

Pete
 
Pete said:
I trained for voer 20 years in a Traditional Korean style and I only took up pool back in 2002. The styles are like apples and oranges. The training is quite diffrent form the research I have done so far. I was curoius to hear from people who have started training in BJJ, and if it effected their play (mostly on the negative end).

Does this help you undersatnd my origanal question???

Pete
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Yes, thanks

--Jeff
 
Sloppy Pockets said:
Yeah, well it worked pretty good for this guy. ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIPAvP-dAFs
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and you think tai chi is the reason he was so succesful?? what a joke! Roy Jones alos trained professional boxing for his whole life, i'm sure that had NOTHING to do with his skill.

With that said, Roy wouldnt stand a chance in MMA! Toney tried it against Couture and didnt make it out of the first round. he tapped which means, "i give up, please stop before you kill me". Google it and see for yourself.

http://vimeo.com/45287348

heres the link to UFC 1. at some point Royce Gracie fights a professional boxer, watch the video to see what happens. Too bad for you a tai chi master didnt participate and win the tournament, then everyone would think what you know as truth.
 
Pete said:
I trained for voer 20 years in a Traditional Korean style and I only took up pool back in 2002. The styles are like apples and oranges. The training is quite diffrent form the research I have done so far. I was curoius to hear from people who have started training in BJJ, and if it effected their play (mostly on the negative end).

Does this help you undersatnd my origanal question???

Pete
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i say go for it. i've never been healthier or had more energy. once you get past the first couple of months you'll wonder what the heck kept you from BJJ for so long, i know i did!
 
It's good exercise, and being in better shape always helps. But there will be times when you're bruised and sore, maybe sore enough for it to affect your game.

I understand that tai chi isn't your speed. What about a not-too-hard style of kung fu, or maybe aikido?
 
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