Black dot shaft
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New ferrule
Any of the cuemakers/repairmen on this forum can perform the work. The cost for the ferrule should run around $20 plus the cost for a new tip. I'd offer to do it myself, but I don't have any Ivorine is stock.
However, your best bet would be to find a cuemaker/repairman in your area to avoid adding the cost and time for shipping.
The downside to wanting a shorter ferrule is....you'll end up with a shorter shaft:sorry:
Any of the cuemakers/repairmen on this forum can perform the work. The cost for the ferrule should run around $20 plus the cost for a new tip. I'd offer to do it myself, but I don't have any Ivorine is stock.
However, your best bet would be to find a cuemaker/repairman in your area to avoid adding the cost and time for shipping.
The downside to wanting a shorter ferrule is....you'll end up with a shorter shaft:sorry:
Bill is correct. Find a CM in your area and save the s/h.
You may be able to wait while he does it if you've got an hour to spend.
Actually, you should probably look for 2~3 CMs. The one that tries to talk you out of Ivorine on a Meucci is the one you want.
You may be able to wait while he does it if you've got an hour to spend.
Actually, you should probably look for 2~3 CMs. The one that tries to talk you out of Ivorine on a Meucci is the one you want.
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dave sutton
Banned
you dont even need a new ferrule. just cut that 1 1/4 to about 3/4 and new tip. i done it to alot of moochies and it changes the hit alot for the better
New Ferrule
I'm in Charleston SC if that's close enough. If I may ask, is the Meucci ferrule damaged, or are you just trying to change the hit? My number is 843-296-1988. :smile:
I'm in Charleston SC if that's close enough. If I may ask, is the Meucci ferrule damaged, or are you just trying to change the hit? My number is 843-296-1988. :smile:
Why would you try to talk him out of Ivorine for the meucci?
The Meucci 'Black Dot' was introduced as a low deflection shaft, though it doesn't fare very well when compared to the other shafts in that category.
Ivorine4, which I guess is what the OP is referring to as Ivorine3 is no longer available, is about the hardest, heaviest ferrule mtrl. made.
It throws sparks when cut, even with carbide tooling.
What low deflection characteristics the shaft had to begin with, will be severely compromised by the addition of such a heavy ferrule.
As Dave mentioned, shorter would be better, but be mindful that whatever you reduce the ferrule length by, you will also be reducing the overall shaft length by an equal amount. 1/4~1/2" may not be such a big deal.
Then there's the consideration of 'tenon leverage' which I won't go into here as I've written about it several times now. Please feel free to do a search.
It's one thing to be critical of a particular application/suggestion, it's quite another to offer a better solution; so here it is.
We are fortunate enough to have in our midst, a very enterprising CM by the name of John Rocker. John has developed a very light-wght. ferrule comprised entirely of wood. These are similar in nature/design to the ferrules found on the OB shafts. The use of that ferrule alone will aid significantly in reducing deflection, thereby making the Meucci Black Dot a much improved shaft.
Personally, I'd still reduce the length of the tenon/ferrule because of tenon leverage. Reason, an even better playing shaft.
If the concept of a wooden ferrule is just too new (or whatever) for you, then I would suggest a thin-wall LBM 'through' ferrule. There are even lighter plastic ferrule mtrls. but they may, in this case, take away from the hit.
Ivorine4, which I guess is what the OP is referring to as Ivorine3 is no longer available, is about the hardest, heaviest ferrule mtrl. made.
It throws sparks when cut, even with carbide tooling.
What low deflection characteristics the shaft had to begin with, will be severely compromised by the addition of such a heavy ferrule.
As Dave mentioned, shorter would be better, but be mindful that whatever you reduce the ferrule length by, you will also be reducing the overall shaft length by an equal amount. 1/4~1/2" may not be such a big deal.
Then there's the consideration of 'tenon leverage' which I won't go into here as I've written about it several times now. Please feel free to do a search.
It's one thing to be critical of a particular application/suggestion, it's quite another to offer a better solution; so here it is.
We are fortunate enough to have in our midst, a very enterprising CM by the name of John Rocker. John has developed a very light-wght. ferrule comprised entirely of wood. These are similar in nature/design to the ferrules found on the OB shafts. The use of that ferrule alone will aid significantly in reducing deflection, thereby making the Meucci Black Dot a much improved shaft.
Personally, I'd still reduce the length of the tenon/ferrule because of tenon leverage. Reason, an even better playing shaft.
If the concept of a wooden ferrule is just too new (or whatever) for you, then I would suggest a thin-wall LBM 'through' ferrule. There are even lighter plastic ferrule mtrls. but they may, in this case, take away from the hit.
Thanks for the input
First of all, I`m glad to know of cue maker in Charleston.
I did several searches and was disappointedand surprized to find out there was not one in Columbia.
The blackdot is an extra. I don`t mind experimenting. If this cue is shortened a little or even doesn`t work out for me I have teenagers that would love to have it.
I will probably contact both cm`s and might even do one of each
Thanks again for all the input
fish
First of all, I`m glad to know of cue maker in Charleston.
I did several searches and was disappointedand surprized to find out there was not one in Columbia.
The blackdot is an extra. I don`t mind experimenting. If this cue is shortened a little or even doesn`t work out for me I have teenagers that would love to have it.
I will probably contact both cm`s and might even do one of each
Thanks again for all the input
fish
Ferrule issue
I thank you if your referred to me as a Cue Maker, but I am a Cue Repairman only. We have several people doing repairs in the Charleston/Goose Creek area. Whitey at Hurricane Cues is the only Cue Maker in my area that I know of. Ben Cooper passed away recently (God bless him). I would think that Columbia has at least one repairman in town. Ask at the places you play, or call anyone that advertises in the Yellowpages under "Billiards". If you can't find anyone you trust, or you feel like taking a ride one weekend, give me a call. I never have liked the longer Meucci ferrules, but I do like the bigger tenons. IMO KJ is right about reducing the weight at the ferrule end making it play better. Good luck!
I thank you if your referred to me as a Cue Maker, but I am a Cue Repairman only. We have several people doing repairs in the Charleston/Goose Creek area. Whitey at Hurricane Cues is the only Cue Maker in my area that I know of. Ben Cooper passed away recently (God bless him). I would think that Columbia has at least one repairman in town. Ask at the places you play, or call anyone that advertises in the Yellowpages under "Billiards". If you can't find anyone you trust, or you feel like taking a ride one weekend, give me a call. I never have liked the longer Meucci ferrules, but I do like the bigger tenons. IMO KJ is right about reducing the weight at the ferrule end making it play better. Good luck!
Black Dot
Glad it worked out! :grin:
Glad it worked out! :grin:
The last few Meucci ferrules I replaced had a tapered tennon, similar to the point of a wooden pencil (but not that extreme). This left air voids at the top of the tenon (intentionally). It looked to me to be a different way to reduce the mass directly behind the tip. I would imagine if you cut the stock ferrule shorter, you would cut past the tapered region of the tennon, and then there would be no air voids behind the tip. Without doing an experimintation on this, that seems to me like it would increase the affective mass at the tip end of the cue, even though the overall mass of the shaft is less when the ferrule is shortened.
Just some discussion on my part.... glad you liked the hit of the modification you made.
Just some discussion on my part.... glad you liked the hit of the modification you made.