Blasting us low post count members

rackmsuckr said:
As one of the more prolific posters here, I can tell you that a lot of my count was due to a cue survey, tournament pictures where I labeled each one separately, and jokes in the NPR forum. I also try to catch birthdays when I can.

Some of the things I post may be meaningless to some, but I know that a little word here or there can brighten someone's day. It is not meant to boost post counts (I am trying to lower mine! :p ) or to garner rep points, although those are nice too. It is just me. I talk a lot in real life too. :D

As far as the rice comment, I don't get it, but I hope it wasn't derogatory. :o

I do agree that sometimes people with low post counts have been made to feel inferior or somehow not have credibility. Just like pool playing, we all started out not knowing how to hold the cue! And we all have the ability to get to a credible level. ;)

No matter how hard you try, ho right you are, or how you cute you are, not everybody is going to agree with. Some aren't going to agree when they know you are right. Right Linda?
 
This is the dumbest thing I ever read! I mean, c'mon! The guy who started this thread only has 40-something posts! I've got over 1,700!!

I shant waste my time mingling with all of you low-posters!!!
 
lawman888 said:
well fred if you look at my replies in the last one i was asking a question that i wanted to hear an answer to and all the replies i got were blasting me at trying to start something in which i was not. I was asking how he felt now. Keep in mind this is a guy who fled a tournament and cost the guy who bought him in the calcutta a good amount of money. And then blasts the small tournaments because they dont pay enough ie. the us open. And then he signs up for the viking tour championship and wins the us open. i just wanted to know if the sudden change of heart was due to the sudden demise of the IPT. AS for JS i like him and root for him, but just wanted to know about the apparent backpeddling. So instead of searching my history just answer the questions
First you say "look at my threads," then you say "instead of searching my history..." What is the answer to that?

You start a post with $hit stirring in mind, but then say "I was just asking a simple question." Can you not see that your words are filled with aggressivenes, passive and active? It wasn't a simple question. It was an attack, and everyone saw it as such. Even now, you say "I like him," but at the same time you put him down with words like "keep in mind this is a guy who fled a tournament..."

You bring up a nearly two year old post, disregarding anything that has happened in between.

And now, you want to blame all the negative replies to you because you're new? Right.

Fred <~~~ has nothing to do with newness and everything to do with content.
 
From a new poster!

Let me preface this by stating that I too am a new poster (newer than you are in fact), and that I cannot disagree more strongly with your statement (in your original post--check the title) that new posters are blasted just because they're new. Since joining this forum I have received nothing but positive feedback from new and old posters alike (I thank you all). What it boils down to, like in any pool environment, is that you are judged by what you bring to the table. I've seen where people have rushed to assist newer posters who were asking genuine questions about the game. At the same time, pool players and enthusiasts will quickly jump on someone whose words and/or conduct are, let us say, below a certain standard. A review of the threads indicates that so far, your postings fall in the latter category.

Let's begin with your assertion that you are only asking an honest question. How can you logically claim to ask the general public how one man feels? If that was your intent you could have contacted him privately. But further, I believe that you have underestimated the intensity of the emotions that arise when the IPT is mentioned. Are you not mindful of how much hope the IPT seemed to promise for the future of the game? Are you unaware of how many players began playing and practicing again? Of how many thousands and thousands of practice hours were spent to prepare for the events? Do you not know that many people quit their jobs and went into debt so that they could give their best shot at what seemed like the best opportunity for pool players that had come along in generations? If you do know these things, I believe that you should be able to understand how vehemently people react to any defense of the IPT in the face of its failure to pay players, and its apparent collapse.

Lastly, can you not conduct your postings with some semblance of civility? We are here to share information and to discuss ideas, not to attack each other personally. In the final analysis, your postings are not attacked for their newness as much as they are for their rawness. "The fault lies not in our stars...."
 
lawman888 said:
still no one has answered anything. All the old posters just immediately start finding negatives in things i post. Next time fred you hit the quote or quick reply button try not talking about me but talking about the subject matter of the thread that this guy who feels just like me started. You think you can do that. Huh? huh?
No, I can't do that. The little quote button is there for a reason. To quote the post to which I'm responding. And I'm responding to you. You asked people to look at your posts. And I don't think the other guy feels just like you.

And it's the same song. You're trying to blame your woes on "old posters vs. new poster." Get over it. It's not because you're new. It's because your posts and words rub people the wrong way.

There was little reason to respond to your JS thread, but some people did. As I said, there was already two years of discussion on it, plus the bigger fact that you took his post out of context. Plus you were asking one person only. JS. And you expected other people to give answers??? Now that's another issue in of itself.

But, again, it has nothing to do with new poster syndrome (which I have addressed every single time I've stupidly replied to your posts). It's about content. And some new posters as well as veteran posters have objectionable content. My posts included.

Fred
 
CaptainHook said:
I look at our Forum in a different way. I see us all sitting around at the local Pool hall talking shop. If a new person want's to join the conversation we will all listen, if they say something stupid they are going to get BBQ'd, if they have some good points to add to the subject, we as a group feel more comfortable with them sitting in with us and they become part of our group. If a subject comes up that we need more information on, we yell over to the old timers playing Golf on the Snooker table.:D

:D

It's interesting to think about whether or to what extent people interact
differently here than in person. I think there are both legitimate and
illegitimate reasons to interact differently here. The illegitimate
ones have to do with exploiting the anonymity or the distance--kinda
like flipping the bird to another driver when you're safely driving away.

But there are legitimate reasons too that have to do with the fact this
is not a chat room but rather is an archived discussion forum. We are
always "on the record." What that means to me is we participants--those
of us who care about the quality of the searchable archived
information-- share some responsibility to expose the nonsense or at
least to highlight the potential nonsense so that further discussion
might lead to more insight.

A few years ago an up&coming pro-level player spent several weeks in
Fargo. Very nice guy. People here enjoyed him and some people learned
a lot from him. Amazed at his ability to kick to play safe, somebody
asked about his kicking ability--how did he do it? did he have a
system? He said several interesting things about lining up kicks.
Then after someone pressed him further about his "system," he started
relaying in an authoritative tone some stuff about angles and aiming for
the corner of the adjacent pool table, etc. Some of what he was saying
made no sense and clearly was not what he was *actually* doing when he
was at the table. I could have demonstrated why what he was saying made
no sense, but I chose not to. In my professional life, that's what I do
all the time, and that's what people do to me. I expect people to ask
me to clarify what I am saying, and I expect people to challenge me to
support what I'm saying. When they call me on something, and perhaps
show me my reasoning is wrong, that's not a personal affront to me.
But there's a cultural dynamic in pool (and elsewhere) where the good
player is expected to be the expert and to have the inner truth on all
aspects of what he does. In that dynamic, a challenge of a player's
assertion is a challenge of his stature to be making assertions.
In that environment, where challenging him is kind of a personal
affront, I keep quiet.

Had he made the same assertions here, I would have challenged those
assertions.

This cultural divide is evident in this forum as well. We see it
whenever someone responds to the challenge of an idea by bringing up who
is a better pool player. In their mind, the challenge of an assertion
is tantamount to a challenge of the asserter's stature. This is foreign
to me.
 
I take no stock in post count and very little stock in rep points...

As far as I am concerned every poster is an idiot until thier words prove otherwise....

Quite frankly....Any post (or thread for that matter) must capture my attention...If I don't like what I am reading...I usually don't make it to the end of the post (or thread)...

I very well may fully read what you have to say in one thread and totally ignore it in the other.......

It really does not matter how many prior stupid posts someone makes....If they post something interesting...I will read it...
 
BRKNRUN said:
...As far as I am concerned every poster is an idiot until thier words prove otherwise....

...

Sometimes, the mere fact that everyone in the world is inferior to me is the only thing that keeps me smiling.
 
No Offense but....

I have decided that there are a lot of people who take this internet message board WAY TOO SERIOUSLY. lol

I have also just realized that some people actually care how many posts they have or how many rep. points they have.

This is too funny.

I like to post on this forum once in a while and I enjoy reading some of the posts but I think some of you need to take some self inventory about the emotional resources that you are spending on a fake, cyber conversation.

I also realize that I might get bad rep for this or even banned for this...but I really dont care.
 
I know this has been covered but I feel it is the absolute truth to this situaltion, and that is the fact that new posters seem to sometimes jump in on a thread that has history either in earlier posts or another thread all together that they do not realize what has transpired. This makes it so they say something inopriate to the situation and get "blasted"

Now they think that people have a vendetta against them when all it really means is they stuck there nose in where it didn't belong without knowing the facts.
 
Are You Talkin To ME, Then Who Are You Talkin To ?

tk_it_ez Nathan wrote:

< I snipped it all because he only had 43 posts >



I only read posts by members with between 434 posts and 1172 posts.
Doug
( I'm VERY picky and don't let my peas touch my mashed potatoes )






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WOW, I didn't expect this to get that much interest.

I agree with most of what everyone is saying. Content does matter more than anything else when it comes to posts. If a post from a new member is confrontational and not very logical then there is a good chance that someone is signing up under a new name just to flame someone. But I also have heard many people say to disregard someone because they don't agree with what they said and they have a low post count. (they usually will point it out also) If you want to get someone going, that is a good way to do it, and then the person loses their temper and it goes down hill from there.

Most of the posters on here are great. I have learned a lot just reading. I usually don't post because if I want to know something I usually can find where someone else has asked the same thing before. There are cliques on here but aren't there everywhere.

I really like AZ. Do I like everything about it and everyone on here, NO. But if I did then what would be the fun in that.

As far as the junk posts go, I am not saying that every short little post like good luck, happy birthday, "would you like to buy some rice" (rackem, that did make me laugh by the way) are bad things. Just that the count does not truly reflect how much you contribute. There are plenty of members with 100 posts that are always well thought out, insightful and helpful that have said and contributed much more than members with 5 or 10 times as many posts. Quality over quantity.

Overall I think the members are open to opinions and more than willing to help out others with advice. All I was trying to say with this thread was that I don't think people should make a big deal out of a low post count when they are in an argument. That is not proof that they have an agenda. If someone is a jacka**, they will still be a jacka** whether they have 5 posts of 5000 posts.

Thanks,

Nathan (hope to learn enough to contribute more one day)
 
bomber said:
I have decided that there are a lot of people who take this internet message board WAY TOO SERIOUSLY. lol.

Never happen! Not here!! No one takes this stuff too seriously. J/K. This is the truest statement that has been posted on this thread thus far.

bomber said:
I have also just realized that some people actually care how many posts they have or how many rep. points they have.

This is too funny.

Not me. I like the greenies as much as the next guy, but I'm not prostitute. I will not whore myself out for the greenies. (Ok. Maybe a little. But I've got my limits!)

bomber said:
I like to post on this forum once in a while and I enjoy reading some of the posts but I think some of you need to take some self inventory about the emotional resources that you are spending on a fake, cyber conversation.

Nothing fake about these conversations. They are very real. Often people share their opinions. Others ask for advice. Its an open forum for non-verbal conversation. As a result, these conversations here are QUITE real. It's no different than some of the talks you have at the pool table or on a bar stool, only here, it is typed. Yet because the conversation is not held in person with the other party, many see it is having less validity. THis is just not so.

bomber said:
I also realize that I might get bad rep for this or even banned for this...but I really dont care.

Never happen! I've said WAY worse stuff than this on here, and I'm now a member of the GOLDEN POSSE!!!
 
lawman888 said:
well fred if you look at my replies in the last one i was asking a question that i wanted to hear an answer to and all the replies i got were blasting me at trying to start something in which i was not. I was asking how he felt now. Keep in mind this is a guy who fled a tournament and cost the guy who bought him in the calcutta a good amount of money. And then blasts the small tournaments because they dont pay enough ie. the us open. And then he signs up for the viking tour championship and wins the us open. i just wanted to know if the sudden change of heart was due to the sudden demise of the IPT. AS for JS i like him and root for him, but just wanted to know about the apparent backpeddling. So instead of searching my history just answer the questions


Maybe John felt bad about it and wanted to make things right. Have you ever done anything that you wish you didn't? Did you go back and rectify it? I have on many ocasions.
As far as low posters goes, we were all there at one time. It really doesn't matter. I knocked a few newbes who went all out to try and convince everybody that the IPT and KT were going to be good for pool after he lied several times. I figured they were IPT plants trying to stick up for the crook!
Purdman
PS: What you have just done is try to flame the posters with more post than you. You really have no complaint. You are welcome here, however if you are to sensitive to handle it, perhaps you should go elsewhere. We do not wish to hurt your feelings.
 
I have no problem with new posters. With that said, I do have a problem with new posters who come on here just to start with derogatory remarks about established members with no basis for the lash-out. The IPT fiasco has brought ALOT of new members to the board, which is good....I'm all for an open dialog, but I have issues with those that begin attacking, for whatever reason. Also, some of the new members may misunderstand posts between established members as 'not very nice' when in fact the case may simply be that we know each other well enough to give each other crap...usually in jest.

The other issue I have is with some new members using the Wanted/For Sale section as a personal free 'storefront'. I am not saying they cannot offer wares for sale...but the spamming is poor form.

Also, poor form is making comments concerning a seller's pricing on any particular cue they may have for sale. All it takes is one mis-informed comment, and it can kill a potential cue sale...or make it more difficult. If you have an issue as to price...or any other disagreements, take them to the PM's! That's part of what they are for.....and never copy and paste PM info publicly!! This will cause no end of problems, and could result in a little 'vacation'.

As Purdman has already stated...we were all 'newbies' here once...and a mistake can be forgiven...we've all made them. But you will find fairly quickly that continued indiscretions will likely not be tolerated for very long.

Me, well I'd like to think that I have made the best use of my posts in general, and earned most of my 'greenies'.:D

Welcome to all the recent new members, and looking forward always to new points of view and ideas. It's the diversity here that keeps things interesting!!

Lisa
 
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