Bleached vs unbleached ivory ferrules

LC3

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Are unbleached ivory ferrules the norm?

Are ivory ferrules typically unbleached and untreated? I ask because I want to have a ferrule installed at SBE, but would hate to find out that nobody there has untreated ivory.
 
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LC3 said:
Are ivory ferrules typically unbleached and untreated? I ask because I want to have a ferrule installed at SBE, but would hate to find out that nobody there has untreated ivory.
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Usually they are not bleached. That is one of the reasons that ivory is desirable. People want to see the grain. The more grain the better. The only time I would consider bleaching anything on any part of a cue is if you have a very ugly buck horn ferrule. After turning the much larger in diameter ferrule to size on a shaft it is then sealed.

Dick
 
Bleached

Let me guess, you have been researching ivory on a web site from a southern
state.
 
BLEACH IS MUCH, MUCH STRONGER AND POTENT THAN FOLKS REALIZE.
sorry for the caps.
nobody wants bleached ivory, it degrades the composition of anything it contacts and saturates.
sun bleached maybe then yes, but dear lord not sodium hydracloride - BLEACH.
 
bleached

So who is bleaching ivory, that's my point. Accusations or facts.
 
Thanks for the info. I remember seeing at least one repair place that specified that its ivory ferrules were unbleached, which of course gave the impression that some ivory ferrules were bleached. I can't imagine anybody wanting to bleach ivory, but it wouldn't be the first nonsensical thing I've seen.
 
cutter said:
So who is bleaching ivory, that's my point. Accusations or facts.
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steve from what i understand bleached ivory is used for jewelry...this might be something that is allready understood...i am not sure if i missed something about the accusations...if so sorry...
 
jackiestax said:
BLEACH IS MUCH, MUCH STRONGER AND POTENT THAN FOLKS REALIZE.
sorry for the caps.
nobody wants bleached ivory, it degrades the composition of anything it contacts and saturates.
sun bleached maybe then yes, but dear lord not sodium hydracloride - BLEACH.
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I'm sure you meant sodium hydrochloride - aka, common household bleach. However, that is not what ivory is bleached with; also, it's a much more common practice to bleach Mastodon Ivory than Elephant.

TW
 
I have sold thousands of unbleached Ivory ferrules. I will probably carry some to the Expo. Someone else there could install it for you. I don't do repairs there. I do not know why anyone would want to bleach them.
 
Maybe he meant sodium hypochloride typically used in scrubbing applications or methylated processes.

Also it gives normal bleach the 7 ball in potency.
 
Thomas Wayne said:


I'm sure you meant sodium hydrochloride - aka, common household bleach. However, that is not what ivory is bleached with; also, it's a much more common practice to bleach Mastodon Ivory than Elephant.

TW
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That may sound correct but not quite. I believe what you meant to say is sodium hypochlorite (NaClO) is the active agent in Chlorox bleach. Sodium hydrochlorde (NaHCl) doesn't exist but sodium chloride NaCl which is the salt of a strong acid,hydrochloric acid (HCl) and a strong base sodium Hydroxide (NaOH) certainly does.

Ivory is sensitive to both moisture and sulfurous compounds in the environment. As far as bleaching ivory there are many approaches, some chemical and others mechanical in nature to clean/bleach ivory. Ivory yellows over time (according to what is exposed to) and ivory piano keys were traditionally bleached with 30% hydrogren peroxide and UV light from UV lamps. The trick is to control the process carefully as to not to get a white ivory but to get the yellow bleached back to the actual ivory color and ideally the ivory patina and keeping the texture which maybe very difficult to attain.

In water sodium hypochorite forms hypochlorous acid HClO that forms (ClO)- or the hypochlorite anion which is the business end of the bleach process and is a very strong oxidizing agent that breaks down the chromophore (the unit of the molecule that has color)

Just a technicality but none the less an important one from a chemistry perspective.


LS
 
Larry Sivik said:
That may sound correct but not quite. I believe what you meant to say is sodium hypochlorite (NaClO) is the active agent in Chlorox bleach. Sodium hydrochlorde (NaHCl) doesn't exist but sodium chloride NaCl which is the salt of a strong acid,hydrochloric acid (HCl) and a strong base sodium Hydroxide (NaOH) certainly does.

In water sodium hypochorite forms hypochlorous acid HClO that forms (ClO)- or the hypochlorite anion which is the business end of the bleach process and is a very strong oxidizing agent that breaks down the chromophore (the unit of the molecule that has color)

Just a technicality but none the less an important one from a chemistry perspective.


LS
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You beat me to it. :D

It's actually important in general I think. People apply chemistry regularly and often with little regard. In many contexts we see exposures and accidents......even in the kitchen and laundry in the home. It is important in general. :thumbup:
 
I'm always amazed at the expertise in non-cuemaking disciplines that guys bring to the forum here. You can ask any question about any subject and while you may get a lot of "I think so and so . . . " you will also get one or more authoritative answers.

On the other hand, this also reveals the wide variety of skills and knowledge sets that it takes to master the craft.

What a great place to hang out!! :)

Gary
 
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