Blown Speed Control

D

DrCue'sProtege

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
first of all, if you have an insult to this thread, please, just simply do not post, ok? doesnt do any of us any good, and makes it less enjoyable for those posters that enjoy discussing shots off of the WEI diagram. thank you for your cooperation.

i had this spread after the break last night, and wanted to come up to around Point B to get as close to straight in on the '2' Ball as i could. that would leave me good shape to get down table for the '5' Ball off of the '3' in the side pocket.

so, i hit this ball with about a tip of left english, and juiced it just a little too much, and scratched into the side pocket.

would you posters have played this any differently?
thanks for any advice and/or insight.

DCP

p.s. once again, the cue ball failed to show up. it rests at Point A.

CueTable Help

 
I have done the same exact thing. Now I look at how far the ball is away from the pocket, and add a little Draw to bring it under the side pocket, or a little high to get it on the far side of the side pocket, depending on my next shot. Also you have to adjust your speed with both shots cause of the angle and Natural english that will be put on the cue ball by the cut.

And by the way, don't feel bad. I screwed up with Ball in Hand and looked like a total azz.:D :D :D
 
I think it is fine, just have to work on your speed. I would have probably hit a little lower left to make the cueball curve a little before rail contact which would open the angle off the rail a bit more and go between the 2 and 3.
 
The key here is to NOT shoot the cue hard enough to get to the side pocket. That way there is zero chance of a scratch.
 
You must have hit it with High left by accident, or you didnt stroke the ball enough. Regular left should be enough to get you between the 2 and the 3 instead of where point B is. Try the same shot with a touch of low and see if you get better position.

Here is where you ideally would like to be. this way you can stop on the 2 ball and then cut the three in the side and have angle to come up between the 5 and 9 for the 5 ball.

CueTable Help

 
There is an excellent drill/game that comes out of Robert Byrne's NEW STANDARD BOOK OF POOL AND BILLIARDS. It starts on page 105. It will cure this problem for you very quickly and it's fun to play because you can play against your or your friends best score. You will not have speed control problems like this anymore.:)
 
the key with this shot is the low draw/backspin. the left helps it along a bit, but a low hit on its own will slide it down towards the two.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
first of all, if you have an insult to this thread, please, just simply do not post, ok? doesnt do any of us any good, and makes it less enjoyable for those posters that enjoy discussing shots off of the WEI diagram. thank you for your cooperation.

i had this spread after the break last night, and wanted to come up to around Point B to get as close to straight in on the '2' Ball as i could. that would leave me good shape to get down table for the '5' Ball off of the '3' in the side pocket.

so, i hit this ball with about a tip of left english, and juiced it just a little too much, and scratched into the side pocket.

would you posters have played this any differently?
thanks for any advice and/or insight.

DCP

p.s. once again, the cue ball failed to show up. it rests at Point A.

CueTable Help

Click to expand...


The rpoblem with most of your shot selections are that you try to play too exact with zero room for error. Think about your position routes more.

OR

try my previous advice:






CueTable Help




Eric
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
i had this spread after the break last night, and wanted to come up to around Point B to get as close to straight in on the '2' Ball as i could. that would leave me good shape to get down table for the '5' Ball off of the '3' in the side pocket.
Click to expand...

I think I'd rather try to go to the center of the table, not to point B.

Fred
 
Last edited:
DCP. your original B is defintely not where you are gonna want the cue ball to end up.

What would your plans have been if you did land there? you could play the 2 soft and then ben on the wrong side of the 3 and have a hell of a time getting on the 5 ball.
 
Dcp

I must be alone on this, but first trying to go the middle of the table off the first long rail hit with the cue, it is extremely easy to go too little or too far, and leaving yourself a bad angle for the 2 (passing your shape sport if too hard or too much english).

I would just play a little high left on the cue ball, bring the cue ball to the diamond to the right of the side pocket, where you are coming into your shape as the cue ball slows down. To me, this is a better guarantee for the angle on the 2 ball shot, and to continue with your planned run.

(and for all the Naysayers, I enjoy DCP threads, they are about Pool, and he is honestly trying to learn something. I will take a willing student of the sport everytime over the nonwilling ones.)
 
Egg McDoggit has shown the proper way to achieve position (IMO)... all you needed to do was "steepen the angle and draw to a point below that first diamond as Egg shows in his diagram.

When playing position, it is a good idea to have a back up plan if you go too far or too short. In this shot you don't need "exact" position. Finding a general area in or around the center of the table will suffice.
 
So far as speed, I always need to think about if it is a full ball hit, 3/4, 1/2, 1/4, or thin cut.

And if it is a thin cut, I say to myself "Shoot slowly because that cue ball is going to retain most of its speed and go flying off into outer space"!

Or if a full ball hit with follow, I say to myself "I need to bang the heck out of the ball because the cue ball will lose most of its energy and want to stop right there".

Then also take into account how many rails it will need to hit (if any) before coming to a stop.
 
You have to control the speed on every shot. I mean, in your illustrating, your working with half a table. A lot of times, you have even less to work with.
 
If I'm seeing the angle right I'd go two rails across instead of one with a high ball, maybe an eigth tip of inside, actually.

I don't see why play a shot in line with the side risking the scratch and getting hooked behind the 3 unless you're absolutely forced to.

P.S. If you get on the wrong side of the 3, there's a recovery route.
 
Icon of Sin said:
DCP. your original B is defintely not where you are gonna want the cue ball to end up.

What would your plans have been if you did land there? you could play the 2 soft and then ben on the wrong side of the 3 and have a hell of a time getting on the 5 ball.
Click to expand...

if i would have gotten where i wanted i could have slow-rolled the '2' Ball into the side pocket and still have had the correct angle to get to the '5' Ball off of the '3' Ball.

sorry, guess the WEI Diagram wasnt exactly perfect, and didnt show this. but that was the plan, and it would have worked if i could have gotten around Point B. i just hit it too hard, not wanting to leave it short of Point B and have to go downtable into the other balls when trying to get shape for the '3' Ball.

and thanks for the responses, never really thought of using some low to come up between the '2' and '3'.

DCP
 
I like the path that leads to the center of the table for the 2 ball as well.
I would ensure that I didn't come up short on the 2, if anything that I overran position on the 2 just SLIGHTLY. That way I still had a good angle to go up table and around for the 3 ball. Coming up a bit short on the 2 ball leaves you having to cinch the 2 in, or having to go down towards other balls, and back up off the foot rail. Too many funny things can happen doing that.
Just my .02.
 
I think you would be better off trying to get on the left side of the two ball. That way you would have the appropriate angle on the 2 ball to get on the correct side of the 3 to get on the 5. You have a good five feet of area to stop in and if you get too much angle on the 2 then you can go one rail back to the 3. Foolproof.

Also use left don't use draw as it is very hard to control your speed and angle when you try to draw off this ball.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top