Boyes on the 'drag' shot..................

[ChrisinNC]

I'm with you. I think he's applying a concept to a shot that it doesn't really work on. The brain is tricky when it comes to pool. If you think you're doing something and you do it successfully, you just further that association in your mind. So, I don't see how the stun-run through or whatever we call it, works on these shots. The required speed takes away the advantages of the shot.

Sometimes you just have to take your medicine and roll the ball.

The problem with the shot example he used was that the cue ball was too close to the cushion. The drag draw has to be hit with a decelerating stroke through the contact area, but still requires a follow through so that the backspin remains on the cue ball until it approaches the object ball. The cue ball is either gliding or just starting its forward roll when it contacts the object ball. This is extremely difficult if not entirely impossible when you are having to elevate the cue considerably on a shot when the cue ball is close to the rail. This was a very poor example to demonstrate this shot.

 

[measureman]

I haven't read all the threads but heres what I do if the angle is not too deep up table on the side pocket shot he was showing.
In order to keep the cue ball from drifting up table I aim the object ball to hit the up table point of the side pocket and then use right hand spin to pocket the ball allowing the cue ball to hit the object ball a little fuller and not drift up table as much.
And just hit the object ball at pocket speed.
The "drag" shot is known in Jersey as a skid shot ,I learned it over 60 years ago and use it quite often.

 

[buyit]

The drag draw has to be hit with a decelerating stroke through the contact area, but still requires a follow through so that the backspin remains on the cue ball until it approaches the object ball.

Why can't someone hit the same drag draw shot that you hit with a decelerating stroke, but using an accelerating stroke and a shorter back swing? Pretend you want to hit a stop shot at a ghost ball that is three inches closer to you than the object ball. Does a stop shot at the ghost ball require a decelerating stroke? A stop shot at the ghost ball is the exact shot needed for a drag draw shot at the actual object ball sitting three inches in front of the ghost ball.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

The drag draw has to be hit with a decelerating stroke through the contact area

Why can't someone hit the same drag draw shot that you hit using a decelerating stroke, but using an accelerating stroke and a shorter back stroke?

Yes, it can be hit with any kind of stroke that gets the tip to the CB at the correct speed - that might be (or feel like) a decelerating stroke for some and a normal (but slower) accelerating stroke for others. I aspire to the slower accelerating one.

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[pt109]

Well, I think everyone can benefit from seeing a cue thrown out a window, or a shaft inserted into a sex toy, regardless of their Fungo rating.

But more seriously, it’s quite difficult to detach yourself from the world you live in and slum it with the plebs. Fuck, I have to stop posting after bourbon.

More seriously, it’s quite difficult to comprehend that 95% of pool players haven’t had a break and run. Is that too high? Too low?

I don’t know. Here’s a photo of me right now, on Jeju Island In South Korea!

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Photo bombing an innocent critter is going pretty low.

 

[pt109]

I haven't read all the threads but heres what I do if the angle is not too deep up table on the side pocket shot he was showing.
In order to keep the cue ball from drifting up table I aim the object ball to hit the up table point of the side pocket and then use right hand spin to pocket the ball allowing the cue ball to hit the object ball a little fuller and not drift up table as much.
And just hit the object ball at pocket speed.
The "drag" shot is known in Jersey as a skid shot ,I learned it over 60 years ago and use it quite often.

That’s what I do...I aim thick and spin it.

 

[Black-Balled]

Yeah, he didn’t do much to explain the shot or how it’s different to a standard drag shot. It’s one of those shots that actually requires fairly precise timing to get the timing and slight drag when tight on the rail.

As an aside, every pool YouTuber makes a video about the drag shot, telling people it’s a safer option for long shots than just rolling through. None of them talk about the increased accuracy needed when playing the shot. The slightest bit of side put on a drag shot will result in a lot swerve as compared to center ball. It’s just not as easy as everyone makes it out to be.

Only us hacks worry about a slight mis-hit.

I watched simeng Chen play Donny Mills and was somewhat amazed at the frequency she had that cb turning over from draw to stop to follow just before on contact

Referred to as the pucker pecker when you miss, but she got it dialed in.

 

[ChrisinNC]

I haven't read all the threads but heres what I do if the angle is not too deep up table on the side pocket shot he was showing.
In order to keep the cue ball from drifting up table I aim the object ball to hit the up table point of the side pocket and then use right hand spin to pocket the ball allowing the cue ball to hit the object ball a little fuller and not drift up table as much.
And just hit the object ball at pocket speed.
The "drag" shot is known in Jersey as a skid shot ,I learned it over 60 years ago and use it quite often.

If you’re playing any spin on it and the cue ball is sitting close to the cushion, you’d better keep a level cue. As someone else said, as soon as you start elevating and add spin, especially on a relatively easy paced stroke, it will be extremely hard to predict the amount of swerve.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I aim the object ball to hit the up table point of the side pocket and then use right hand spin to pocket the ball allowing the cue ball to hit the object ball a little fuller and not drift up table as much.
And just hit the object ball at pocket speed.

That would be my choice if available. With the cue as level as possible, slow speed and about half maximum side spin to maximize throw so the OB can be hit as full as possible.

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[Shuddy]

Only us hacks worry about a slight mis-hit.

I watched simeng Chen play Donny Mills and was somewhat amazed at the frequency she had that cb turning over from draw to stop to follow just before on contact

Referred to as the pucker pecker when you miss, but she got it dialed in

One of the few things I’ve missed during covid; my parents and watching Siming Chen.

I love the way she plays, and she was really dominating the women and playing very well in the open events.

Also, apologies for photobombing the thread. I’ve been dreading opening AZB all day because I wasn’t sure exactly what I typed while I was sitting in the car park listening to The Smiths with my dog at 4am, just that I’d posted a selfie

 

[measureman]

If you’re playing any spin on it and the cue ball is sitting close to the cushion, you’d better keep a level cue. As someone else said, as soon as you start elevating and add spin, especially on a relatively easy paced stroke, it will be extremely hard to predict the amount of swerve.

I would not do it if the cue ball was frozen or very close to the rail and I had to elevate the cue, you are correct.

 

[The_JV]

So many entertaining ways to make this shot difficult.

 

[eg9327]

Being one of these APA 3 / 250 Fargo type players that feel like they’ve won the Powerball after a runout, the biggest take I got from this video was to simply get on the correct side of pocket line for the 4 ball.

Because I’ll tell you the most common outcome of this scenario for someone like me: pocket the 2, pocket the 3 in the opposite side and be out of shape on the 4. Then play safe by banking the 4 and leaving the CB at opposite sides of the table. At least I’ve got the wherewithal to attempt a safety. That separates me from the ‘play 5 times per year’ crowd.

And it’s no surprise that pool videos of multiple choice questions get low views. It’s like teaching music theory to aspiring rock musicians.

Good points. Another is the it appeared the 3 would play up table, so I would have just changed the way I played the 2 to allow for that.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

...the biggest take I got from this video was to simply get on the correct side of pocket line for the 4 ball.

Especially for side pocket shots - being on the wrong side of that "Continental Divide" can send you on a long trip.

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