Break Box 2022 US Open 9 Ball

Emily just said while interviewing Albin after the win.
Break Box gave MR what they wanted, and in turn this yrs Open.
Break Box with 9 on the spot.
I doubt it. According to At Large stats, the breaker won the game 50% of the time. That means that the breaker had no advantage and the break, for practical purposes, was trivialized in the formula for victory.

Yes, there was more back and forth, but a 27% break and run rate on the stream table, which features the stars of the game, made the players look bad.

i have complete faith in Matchroom and their vision. Obviously, they feel that this kind of pool will catch on with the fans. I’m not as sure.
 
I'm not a fan at all. You can argue all you want that it's too easy for pros to break and run with standard 1 on the spot and breaking from the side, etc. But that's what alternate break is for so a pro doesn't string some crazy 8 pack together yet that's the stuff we love to watch. Watching SVB struggle on the break was obviously a result of this change. It was kind of painful to watch tbh and not as fun. Just using SVB as an example as one of the best breakers in the game today.
 
I doubt it. According to At Large stats, the breaker won the game 50% of the time. That means that the breaker had no advantage and the break, for practical purposes, was trivialized in the formula for victory.

Yes, there was more back and forth, but a 27% break and run rate on the stream table, which features the stars of the game, made the players look bad.

i have complete faith in Matchroom and their vision. Obviously, they feel that this kind of pool will catch on with the fans. I’m not as sure.
I thought she said that Stu. I'm sure Shane/others will work on this.
 
I know it will never happen- but they should play 10 ball with a set arrangement of the balls in the rack- then you don't need to have all of these rules about where to place the 9 and where to break from.
 
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I doubt it. According to At Large stats, the breaker won the game 50% of the time. That means that the breaker had no advantage and the break, for practical purposes, was trivialized in the formula for victory.

Yes, there was more back and forth, but a 27% break and run rate on the stream table, which features the stars of the game, made the players look bad.

i have complete faith in Matchroom and their vision. Obviously, they feel that this kind of pool will catch on with the fans. I’m not as sure.
I'm not a fan at all. You can argue all you want that it's too easy for pros to break and run with standard 1 on the spot and breaking from the side, etc. But that's what alternate break is for so a pro doesn't string some crazy 8 pack together yet that's the stuff we love to watch. Watching SVB struggle on the break was obviously a result of this change. It was kind of painful to watch tbh and not as fun. Just using SVB as an example as one of the best breakers in the game today.
Count me in the other camp. I thought this format was much more intense than in previous tournaments, though I felt bad for Shane (and any player) who counts the break as a big weapon like he does.

I liked that after every dry break, or scratch, you could almost see the wheels turning in SVB and Ouchin's minds. This is the first time I can recall SVB looking nervous during a match...like he knew he couldn't count in his break and had to put more emphasis on offensive and defensive strategy.

For a banger like me, watching pros with a wired wing ball and running rack after rack on autopilot is mind-numbingly boring. Watching them with random, many times ugly, layouts and having to think their way through a tough situation rack after rack is more my cup of tea. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Also, I keep waiting for Sky to break through on one of these big international fields...oh well, maybe in October
 
I thought she said that Stu. I'm sure Shane/others will work on this.
Not the point, my friend. When this change was announced, I argued that such a sudden and dramatic change of the break rule midseason was a mistake as it did not give players sufficient time to prepare for it. I really wanted to be wrong on this point, but it seems I was right. Also, as a player, how hard do you want to prepare for this break rule when Matchroom seems to change the break rule over and over.

Alternatively, Iif after the 2022 US Open, Matchroom had announced the new break rule and committed to using it for the entire 2023 Matchroom Tour, every player would have had four months or more to prepare for the change and sufficient reason to believe that the change was permanent, rather than just a tweak.

Instead, it is damage control time, as the players looked clueless when it came to the break at the European Open, even the guy many of us consider to be the best breaker of the balls in our sport’s history.
 
Not the point, my friend. When this change was announced, I argued that such a sudden and dramatic change of the break rule midseason was a mistake as it did not give players sufficient time to prepare for it. I really wanted to be wrong on this point, but it seems I was right. Also, as a player, how hard do you want to prepare for this break rule when Matchroom seems to change the break rule over and over.

Alternatively, Iif after the 2022 US Open, Matchroom had announced the new break rule and committed to using it for the entire 2023 Matchroom Tour, every player would have had four months or more to prepare for the change and sufficient reason to believe that the change was permanent, rather than just a tweak.

Instead, it is damage control time, as the players looked clueless when it came to the break at the European Open, even the guy many of us consider to be the best breaker of the balls in our sport’s history.
But wasn't the break rule very similar to the Euro Tour? Many, if not almost all participants, played that tour before. I also think, prepping for the break itself is not rocket science to Open/Pro level players. Karl even had a video explaining before what he expects everybody to try to do: 1 in the side and trying to kick the 9 afterwards.

There were even still comeback stories like Filler against that other German before playing his wife. Which was always one argument for winner break to be able to string racks together.
 
But wasn't the break rule very similar to the Euro Tour? Many, if not almost all participants, played that tour before. I also think, prepping for the break itself is not rocket science to Open/Pro level players. Karl even had a video explaining before what he expects everybody to try to do: 1 in the side and trying to kick the 9 afterwards.

There were even still comeback stories like Filler against that other German before playing his wife. Which was always one argument for winner break to be able to string racks together.

it's also the same as the US open before MR took over, the international open, DCC 9-ball...as i said in the other thread, MR didn't invent the wheel here. svb has even won US open with these rules.

svb was breaking good in earlier matches, up until the SF and final. i don't know what happened there.

i also thought mario he broke very well. really impressive. kind of smashing it but still with a cut. other good breakers where tyler styer, eklent kaci and josh filler.
 
But wasn't the break rule very similar to the Euro Tour? Many, if not almost all participants, played that tour before. I also think, prepping for the break itself is not rocket science to Open/Pro level players. Karl even had a video explaining before what he expects everybody to try to do: 1 in the side and trying to kick the 9 afterwards.

There were even still comeback stories like Filler against that other German before playing his wife. Which was always one argument for winner break to be able to string racks together.
The Eurotour is played on looser equipment. A couple of Eurotour players told me that nine on the spot came about because of the easier equipment used on Eurotour. Yes, Eurotour players are all used to nine on the spot, which has been in use for years And, yes, the Matchroom Tour is looking more and more like a European Tour, but I doubt that is the long term plan.

The combination of nine on the spot, break box and really tight equipmentp is tougher than anything attempted in the past, and the statistics make this as clear as crystal.

Who broke the rack in this event was statistically insignificant, as the breaker won 50% of hundreds of racks played on the stream. If that’s the way you like it, then this set of rules/equipment is for you, but I doubt many players or fans want things that way, and it is not my preference, either.
 
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of course, everybody is entitled to their opinions :-) I didn't watch as much as I wish I would have, but whatever I saw looked exciting to me, lots of strategic/safety battle. One example: I tuned in to Dominguez - Filler at 5-5 or 6-6 and Dominguez missed some safeties by not even an inch and Filler kicked across the whole table. You could see how they were both grinding.
 
of course, everybody is entitled to their opinions :) I didn't watch as much as I wish I would have, but whatever I saw looked exciting to me, lots of strategic/safety battle. One example: I tuned in to Dominguez - Filler at 5-5 or 6-6 and Dominguez missed some safeties by not even an inch and Filler kicked across the whole table. You could see how they were both grinding.
Which, by the way, is how my father, who had no interest at all in billiards, got hooked on Snooker. Once you realize how the minds battle, it gets very interesting.
 
the magic rack used throughout the whole tournament is the only fair way to use the break box. different racker can change the outcome of a good break. if we are looking for the perfect break lets be sure all balls are frozen.
 
For a banger like me, watching pros with a wired wing ball and running rack after rack on autopilot is mind-numbingly boring. Watching them with random, many times ugly, layouts and having to think their way through a tough situation rack after rack is more my cup of tea. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
I can understand your point. However I’ve always thought that the object of the game was to pocket all the balls and win the game.
 
The breaks looked amateurish.

When I played my best, I could make the wing ball and get on the 1 or make the 1 in the side. Huge advantage, earned by putting in the work. You can't penalize the guys who work to improve.
 
I doubt it. According to At Large stats, the breaker won the game 50% of the time. That means that the breaker had no advantage and the break, for practical purposes, was trivialized in the formula for victory.

Yes, there was more back and forth, but a 27% break and run rate on the stream table, which features the stars of the game, made the players look bad.

i have complete faith in Matchroom and their vision. Obviously, they feel that this kind of pool will catch on with the fans. I’m not as sure.
Maybe to stop the 1 in the side so much.
 
I can understand your point. However I’ve always thought that the object of the game was to pocket all the balls and win the game.
You are correct, but using a template with the one on the spot, where the wing ball is wired and they know pretty much where the one will end up, leading to 4 or 5 stop shots to win, while surely effective, is boring to watch. Imagine golf where every putt on the green was a 20ft. straight in...tough for the general bangers, but the pros would work it until they could do it with their eyes closed.

Same reason the soft break that Corey Duel broke out, while effective, essentially ruined an entire tournament.
 
Not the point, my friend. When this change was announced, I argued that such a sudden and dramatic change of the break rule midseason was a mistake as it did not give players sufficient time to prepare for it. I really wanted to be wrong on this point, but it seems I was right. Also, as a player, how hard do you want to prepare for this break rule when Matchroom seems to change the break rule over and over.

Alternatively, Iif after the 2022 US Open, Matchroom had announced the new break rule and committed to using it for the entire 2023 Matchroom Tour, every player would have had four months or more to prepare for the change and sufficient reason to believe that the change was permanent, rather than just a tweak.

Instead, it is damage control time, as the players looked clueless when it came to the break at the European Open, even the guy many of us consider to be the best breaker of the balls in our sport’s history.
Stu, I think what MR is trying/doing is whats needed.
MR has made rules up that did not work out and they changed. Was it mid-season or not?

When they/tried something & realized they were wrong, they changed it, who cares if it's mid-season the concern and care should be ''for the sport.''

In my yrs of playing with the pros.
I've never heard a pro say, mid-season was not a good time to do a rule change.
If it was needed, change it.
No one's gotten it right yet for TV, sometimes you have to stick your finger in the fire to make sure.

With the money and experience they have developing/Darts/Snooker and others, they know allot more about this/these situations as they percolate out of the venue, than most everyone else. Their success/ and intent are the proof.
 
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I doubt it. According to At Large stats, the breaker won the game 50% of the time. That means that the breaker had no advantage and the break, for practical purposes, was trivialized in the formula for victory.

Yes, there was more back and forth, but a 27% break and run rate on the stream table, which features the stars of the game, made the players look bad.

i have complete faith in Matchroom and their vision. Obviously, they feel that this kind of pool will catch on with the fans. I’m not as sure.
It depends who they are trying to please. The top pros? The rest of the players in the event? The pool fans watching? Or the average joe/sports fan watching? I don't think there is a format they can come up with that will please everyone.

I'm not even sure what format I like best as a viewer. But as an avid pool player and fan, I will watch it no matter what. To grow the game, they need to attract guys that aren't avid pool players/fans. In that case, "making the players look bad" and having more safety battles probably isn't a good thing.
 
It depends who they are trying to please. The top pros? The rest of the players in the event? The pool fans watching? Or the average joe/sports fan watching? I don't think there is a format they can come up with that will please everyone.

I'm not even sure what format I like best as a viewer. But as an avid pool player and fan, I will watch it no matter what. To grow the game, they need to attract guys that aren't avid pool players/fans. In that case, "making the players look bad" and having more safety battles probably isn't a good thing.
Making the pros look ‘too good’ isn’t a good thing either for the average Joe and his wife casually surfing the channels for something to watch. They see pro pool on tv and naturally assume that they never miss and change the channel.

This new format is probably better over all, more dry breaks and more interplay is a good thing.
Probably at some point they will just abandon nineball and go to ten ball and be done with it.
 
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