Break & Runouts in One-Pocket & Bank-Pool

[phil228]

Hey all

I recently got myself into trying and playing these rather "unpopular" disciplines and already learned a lot from them for the more common pool disciplines. Not knowing too much about them form an intermediate-pro level, it got me thinking whether or not one can regularly manage to perform break & runouts in these types of pool (like in 8/9/10-Ball)?

For One-Pocket, I hardly imagine this to be a target on a certain level due to the 14.1 like opening safety shot. But of course, you could try and bank one of the corner balls and give it a go?

For Bank-Pool, it seems much more doable, as you start with a usual hard break shot and successfully banking 5-8 balls in a row should be possible in theory (at least for me)

Does anyone have experience with this topic and knows, whether or not this is "a thing" for the statistics?

 

[soyale]

it depends where you go but often if you pocket a ball on the break in one hole its a re-rack. if you forgo that rule you can make the corner ball and go 8-out without too much trouble.

 

[straightline]

If you hit a full rack a la Ronnie Allen, you can pocket the corner ball in your hole. You probably will have a good chance at 8 or 15 if you're psychotic. The other way to pocket the corner ball I know of is to cut the middle ball down the side as if to shoot it in your pocket. This one is suicidal because balls will be all over the place.

For bank pool, I couldn't tell you. Banks are way out of my practice allotment.

 

[couldnthinkof01]

it depends where you go but often if you pocket a ball on the break in one hole its a re-rack. if you forgo that rule you can make the corner ball and go 8-out without too much trouble.

Making it sound so much easier than it is.
Video or it didn't happen.

With a magic rack and second ball break you can make the corner ball on the side you're breaking from much of the time. 8 and out from there still isn't free.

 

[Bob Jewett]

At one pocket there is a standard run out challenge. You start the rack with an open break. You then run balls into your pocket. When you miss you start another rack. You get a total of five racks to meet the challenge requirement which might be 25 balls. This challenge was done at Derby City for a few years around 2007-9. I think the highest during those challenges was 60 by Gabe Owen. I have heard of 72 in practice. 75 is, of course, the max.

The exact rules have been covered somewhere here. Search on "one pocket shoot out" or similar.

There are several variations. Allen Hopkins used to take five tries or so to run all 15. I think Corey Deuel did something similar but it was by single racks with money odds and he got ball in hand after the break, IIRC.

 

[soyale]

Making it sound so much easier than it is.
Video or it didn't happen.

With a magic rack and second ball break you can make the corner ball on the side you're breaking from much of the time. 8 and out from there still isn't free.

Sorry i didnt mean to mislead that i personally could easily go 8 and out in 1p ive just seen it done on the ol’ youtube.

heres the first one that comes up:

 

[hang-the-9]

Sorry i didnt mean to mislead that i personally could easily go 8 and out in 1p ive just seen it done on the ol’ youtube.

heres the first one that comes up:

Even for a pro player that made a ball in the pocket off the break, an runout in one pocket is not what anyone would call accomplishing "without too much trouble". I have seen a bird get hit with a baseball also on video but I'm sure it's a pretty rare thing to happen LOL

I would give the 8 and out in one pocket, even with shooting a more open break shot rather than a safety one, probably the same difficulty as running out a 15 ball rotation rack, maybe slightly harder even due to the fact you only have one pocket to shoot at, even though you can hit any ball. If you get bad in rotation you can get out of trouble by playing into some other of the 6 pockets, no such safety net in one pocket.

 

[Poolmanis]

At one pocket there is a standard run out challenge. You start the rack with an open break. You then run balls into your pocket. When you miss you start another rack. You get a total of five racks to meet the challenge requirement which might be 25 balls. This challenge was done at Derby City for a few years around 2007-9. I think the highest during those challenges was 60 by Gabe Owen. I have heard of 72 in practice. 75 is, of course, the max.

The exact rules have been covered somewhere here. Search on "one pocket shoot out" or similar.

There are several variations. Allen Hopkins used to take five tries or so to run all 15. I think Corey Deuel did something similar but it was by single racks with money odds and he got ball in hand after the break, IIRC.

I do this quite often when i get sloppy on position play. It kinda put your cueball control to brutal test. My average is probably near 40 points.
Here is couple 15 ball runs i got on video.
I think they are pretty sweet ones

 

[Fatboy]

Not the 1P break and run challenge Bob is talking about-which I think is a very cool side event, I miss watching it. It’s a offensive break usually hitting the 2nd and 3rd ball. I’ve never really practiced it. I’m sure at my best with a month of working on it I could have got 15 and out a couple times. Champions can do it pretty frequently.

But in actual games of 1P I have broke and ran out many times-it’s just luck when the corner ball goes and there’s a open shot. Usually it’s because it was a bad break that just worked out well. I’ve never played to break and run a rack in 1P, but I have done it lots of times.

Once I ran 8 & out from a game, broke and ran 7. Which would have been 2 runouts in one inning-it just happened to be my break after the 8 & out. The last ball that would have made it a 2 pack wasn’t there. I didn’t have a shot at anything. But was still cool to 8 & out, break and run 7.

I’ve never ran 15 & out. Again in a real game not breaking the balls to run out, but breaking them in a game-a completely defensive break. I’ve ran 13 twice(once I wish I had recorded-wow) I’ve ran many many 12’s and 11’s very frequently.

My high run playing 14.1 might be 8 or 10 balls. I’m the worst 14.1 player ever. It’s amazing how bad I am at that game.

The 1P challenge was fun to watch super strong players run 15’s. I saw Efren gambling once and run all 15.

Best
Fatboy

 

[Fatboy]

At one pocket there is a standard run out challenge. You start the rack with an open break. You then run balls into your pocket. When you miss you start another rack. You get a total of five racks to meet the challenge requirement which might be 25 balls. This challenge was done at Derby City for a few years around 2007-9. I think the highest during those challenges was 60 by Gabe Owen. I have heard of 72 in practice. 75 is, of course, the max.

The exact rules have been covered somewhere here. Search on "one pocket shoot out" or similar.

There are several variations. Allen Hopkins used to take five tries or so to run all 15. I think Corey Deuel did something similar but it was by single racks with money odds and he got ball in hand after the break, IIRC.

Didn’t Alex run 72 one year in 5 tries? I remember the Gabe 60. I thought Alex best it by a lot once.

Max used to practice it at my house when he lived with me. I watched him run lots of 15’s a couple times back to back.

I really really liked that as a side event. I was sad when it disappeared. It doesn’t really define the best player. But it sure is cool. The patterns and routes are fun to watch

 

[soyale]

Even for a pro player that made a ball in the pocket off the break, an runout in one pocket is not what anyone would call accomplishing "without too much trouble". I have seen a bird get hit with a baseball also on video but I'm sure it's a pretty rare thing to happen LOL

I would give the 8 and out in one pocket, even with shooting a more open break shot rather than a safety one, probably the same difficulty as running out a 15 ball rotation rack, maybe slightly harder even due to the fact you only have one pocket to shoot at, even though you can hit any ball. If you get bad in rotation you can get out of trouble by playing into some other of the 6 pockets, no such safety net in one pocket.

i apologize for my choice of wording, i did not mean to insinuate that it was easy. Let me rephrase.

It can be done, but with LOTS AND LOTS of trouble.

 

[Banger]

Five and out can happen when playing with a 9-ball rack, in bank pool. And although eight and out can also happen in full rack banks, it's less likely because of the congestion on the table. Balls get tied up, and pockets get blocked, and sometimes there simply isn't a bank shot available.

Here is a great interview with Eddie Taylor, talking about his career, and shooting some banks. About the 39:10 mark, he talks about the difficulty of banking all 15 balls, in full rack bank pool.

 

[Jaden]

Hey all

I recently got myself into trying and playing these rather "unpopular" disciplines and already learned a lot from them for the more common pool disciplines. Not knowing too much about them form an intermediate-pro level, it got me thinking whether or not one can regularly manage to perform break & runouts in these types of pool (like in 8/9/10-Ball)?

For One-Pocket, I hardly imagine this to be a target on a certain level due to the 14.1 like opening safety shot. But of course, you could try and bank one of the corner balls and give it a go?

For Bank-Pool, it seems much more doable, as you start with a usual hard break shot and successfully banking 5-8 balls in a row should be possible in theory (at least for me)

Does anyone have experience with this topic and knows, whether or not this is "a thing" for the statistics?

I have a one pocket break that allows me to make or hang the wing ball at about 50%. I was playing in the Arizona one pocket championships circa 2014-2015 and I was playing this old guy. I won the lag and broke and ran the first rack. The look on his face was priceless.

Now they've instituted no ball on the break rules which I feel takes away from the game, but whatever...

Jaden

 

[3kushn]

People scoff at the Fat Man, but One Pocket and Banks were his Specialties.
He preferred Full Rack Banks.
Witnessed lots of 8 and outs.
Rarely saw him play 9Ball or 8Ball except for Exhibitions. I think never for money. Unless vs a chippy for a nickle.

Search vids on Ronnie Allen, The Professor. and other specialist. Remember a guy in Burlington, IA He never missed Banking. That was his game. Can't remember his nick name. Black Dude..... Never Missed and Never Spent time looking. Just a peek and fire it in. 100mph/

Edit: Cannonball Something or other.
Amazing

 

[Willowbrook Wolfy]

8 on a 15 ball bank table is almost never going to happen when there is an opponent. There is just too much traffic. And safes are usually a better option on the 15 ball table. 5 on 9 ball banks isn’t anywhere near as tough. That happens sometimes.

 

[phil228]

Wow, thanks a lot for all the replies! Really helped me digging deeper into the topic and to me, it seems like a break & run isn't nearly as common in those disciplines as in the others (even if it "is" possible theoretically ), nor is it a published / regarded statistics metric.

 

[Woodshaft]

Why not kill two birds with one stone: Bank all 8 and out in one-pocket

 

[bbb]

People scoff at the Fat Man, but One Pocket and Banks were his Specialties.
He preferred Full Rack Banks.
Witnessed lots of 8 and outs.
Rarely saw him play 9Ball or 8Ball except for Exhibitions. I think never for money. Unless vs a chippy for a nickle.

Search vids on Ronnie Allen, The Professor. and other specialist. Remember a guy in Burlington, IA He never missed Banking. That was his game. Can't remember his nick name. Black Dude..... Never Missed and Never Spent time looking. Just a peek and fire it in. 100mph/

Edit: Cannonball Something or other.
Amazing

is this him ?

CannonballHOF

A One pocket pool dedicated web site - one pocket pool rules, events, store, message board and more.

www.onepocket.org

 

[cjr3559]

@phil228

I saw the app is now called ‘Billiard Manager’

Before committing to a $30 subscription, can you provide more information how the new workout format functions for One Pocket?

Same with playing the ghost in 8/9/10 ball? I believe that’s a new feature as well.

I’d like to remove the ads, but not for $30.

 

[phil228]

I saw the app is now called ‘Billiard Manager’

Before committing to a $30 subscription, can you provide more information how the new workout format functions for One Pocket?

Same with playing the ghost in 8/9/10 ball? I believe that’s a new feature as well.

I’d like to remove the ads, but not for $30.

Hey @cjr3559

absolutely correct - the app got a new image / brand to accompany for now being much more than just a tool to "Practice 14.1". Will make an official announcement in the original thread soon, as this comes with some cool new features, too!

As I see, you discovered some of them already: The "BilliardManager Pro" subscription which unlocks a couple of additional features like new workout formats, advanced workout configuration and addresses the most frequent request: an ad-free experience of the app.

Regarding the new One-Pocket match format: This format is special because you are tracking the actual balls made into your pocket. You can define yourself how many balls are required to win a game (defaults to the usual 8) and of course, how many games are required to win the whole match. The new "Bank-Pool" format works quite the same.

"Playing the ghost" is actually new, too, and finally gets rid of the odd "Partner" term when playing against someone else (including against yourself). "Playing the ghost" here means playing against yourself, so you can decide how to apply "the ghost" in practice. For example, you can either let him win immediately once you make an error or simply overtake his turn and play against yourself. This is why "Playing the ghost" is part of the new playing partner management which is also unlocked with the pro subscription.

So there is pretty much more behind the subscription than simply removing the ads. I wanted the ad-free experience to only be the "cherry on the cake" for the pro version And of course it supports me maintaining and continue improving the app even more - which of course comes with more "cost" than just my leisure time.

As mentioned I will post an "official" announcements to the new app brand and features here on AZB, so stay tuned for more to come soon!