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RFisher

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Hey guys, I'm going to be talking to 3 different companys in the next month or two, sending examples/samples back and forth.

I'm thinking of having 2 different kinds of bumpers made.


#1, and T
http://www.cuestik.com/store/product.asp?ITEM_ID=5839&DEPARTMENT_ID=139

I have to pay for the molds/rubber/labor for the samples and if they get produced.

Price is going to probably be $3-$5 each? Just guessing based on set up cost, probably not more. If you don't like this price, don't post it here, it just means you wont be ordering any. might be alittle less i'm going this price because in the end I will not loose money doing these.

Some have posted and pm'd me about getting some, probably based on they wouldn't cost too much, yeah I probably could get them made for $1 but I can't order 100,000 of them.

Now that this price is out there, I would like to know how much interest there still is or might be for these?

Please Pm me again, with about how many you would like. This thread is for people wanting 20-50 or more, if your wanting 1-5 I'll post if and when there done and I'll deal with small orders at that time. Also before the order is made, all bumpers will be prepaid only.

No gaurentees, you never know, I'm buisy building cues and cant stop/slow down to travel to a shop to watch over them while they try to build some. If theres not alot of interest it won't happen.

If the deal goes through and I can have them made, I'll be posting way a head of time to get everyones orders, so this is another FEELER thread.

Let me know.
 
RFisher said:
Hey guys, I'm going to be talking to 3 different companys in the next month or two, sending examples/samples back and forth.

I'm thinking of having 2 different kinds of bumpers made.


#1, and T
http://www.cuestik.com/store/product.asp?ITEM_ID=5839&DEPARTMENT_ID=139

I have to pay for the molds/rubber/labor for the samples and if they get produced.

Price is going to probably be $3-$5 each? Just guessing based on set up cost, probably not more. If you don't like this price, don't post it here, it just means you wont be ordering any. might be alittle less i'm going this price because in the end I will not loose money doing these.

Some have posted and pm'd me about getting some, probably based on they wouldn't cost too much, yeah I probably could get them made for $1 but I can't order 100,000 of them.

Now that this price is out there, I would like to know how much interest there still is or might be for these?

Please Pm me again, with about how many you would like. This thread is for people wanting 20-50 or more, if your wanting 1-5 I'll post if and when there done and I'll deal with small orders at that time. Also before the order is made, all bumpers will be prepaid only.

No gaurentees, you never know, I'm buisy building cues and cant stop/slow down to travel to a shop to watch over them while they try to build some. If theres not alot of interest it won't happen.

If the deal goes through and I can have them made, I'll be posting way a head of time to get everyones orders, so this is another FEELER thread.

Let me know.
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I don't see why you need a mold made, the bumpers are a stock item. You just need a special color. I was going to have a mold made a few years for a bridge head I had designed and the cost was going to run between 15 and 20 thousand dollars. That was the end of that. The two bumpers you show though can be bought off the shelf they are a stock items.
 
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macguy said:
The two bumpers you show though can be bought off the shelf they are a stock items.
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Could you point me to supplier who has the t style bumper in brown.

Thanks
Paul
 
macguy said:
I don't see why you need a mold made, the bumpers are a stock item. You just need a special color. I was going to have a mold made a few years for a bridge head I had designed and the cost was going to run between 15 and 20 thousand dollars. That was the end of that. The two bumpers you show though can be bought off the shelf they are a stock items.
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Well then you go ahead and take the lead, If you want to do the leg work, and pay the other fees to get the ball rolling go ahead. And this is in the early-no stages anyway, It's nothing that's going to get done fast. The set up/mold price was just there warning it might not be cheap. And if it's a "stock item" with all the interest in brown bumpers why hasn't anyone else had them made, Atlas, Brianna, cuecomponents, hightower, you, ect..........by the way companys that are set up to make these styles of bumpers have the mold, one's that aren't Don't. Don't automaticly assume I'm getting them made by the same company as Atlas or prather.

And I think I know what your TONE represents, same as mine probably, it's a cheap part and shouldn't cost that much. Well I guess if I'm going to take the time to research and find someone to do these, spend what ever money just for samples and other misc. things, phone calls, shipping back and forth. Your right, I'm a swindler, and a horrible person and not a cuemaker worthy to be called a cuemaker, I can't believe I wouldn't just do it to be a nice guy and help out my fellow cuemakers I mean who does all this leg work, Takes an item that one company sells for $20 and cuts it down to $5, and try's to sell it to his fellow cuemakers. If your thinking I'm going to make some money If I get these made, your probably right, yeah, I may end up cuting $15 off an item and I'm going to end up being a bad guy for it. Like I said, if you want to do it, and have the money to do it, I'll order mine through you, do it, you'll be the better man and make me look like an A$$hole.

MacGuy, Have a nice day.
 
RFisher said:
Well then you go ahead and take the lead, If you want to do the leg work, and pay the other fees to get the ball rolling go ahead. And this is in the early-no stages anyway, It's nothing that's going to get done fast. The set up/mold price was just there warning it might not be cheap. And if it's a "stock item" with all the interest in brown bumpers why hasn't anyone else had them made, Atlas, Brianna, cuecomponents, hightower, you, ect..........by the way companys that are set up to make these styles of bumpers have the mold, one's that aren't Don't. Don't automaticly assume I'm getting them made by the same company as Atlas or prather.

And I think I know what your TONE represents, same as mine probably, it's a cheap part and shouldn't cost that much. Well I guess if I'm going to take the time to research and find someone to do these, spend what ever money just for samples and other misc. things, phone calls, shipping back and forth. Your right, I'm a swindler, and a horrible person and not a cuemaker worthy to be called a cuemaker, I can't believe I wouldn't just do it to be a nice guy and help out my fellow cuemakers I mean who does all this leg work, Takes an item that one company sells for $20 and cuts it down to $5, and try's to sell it to his fellow cuemakers. If your thinking I'm going to make some money If I get these made, your probably right, yeah, I may end up cuting $15 off an item and I'm going to end up being a bad guy for it. Like I said, if you want to do it, and have the money to do it, I'll order mine through you, do it, you'll be the better man and make me look like an A$$hole.

MacGuy, Have a nice day.
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Maybe you two have a history, but I could find nothing in Mac's post to suggest any of the things you are alluding he insinuated. Wow.

Ok, I just read it again...and I still can't find anything malicious in it.

I also wondered if making a mold might not be necessary. I am glad I didn't suggest that, I try not to call people swindlers, lousy cuemakers, and assholes for no apparent reason.

Kelly
 
RFisher said:
Well then you go ahead and take the lead, If you want to do the leg work, and pay the other fees to get the ball rolling go ahead. And this is in the early-no stages anyway, It's nothing that's going to get done fast. The set up/mold price was just there warning it might not be cheap. And if it's a "stock item" with all the interest in brown bumpers why hasn't anyone else had them made, Atlas, Brianna, cuecomponents, hightower, you, ect..........by the way companys that are set up to make these styles of bumpers have the mold, one's that aren't Don't. Don't automaticly assume I'm getting them made by the same company as Atlas or prather.

And I think I know what your TONE represents, same as mine probably, it's a cheap part and shouldn't cost that much. Well I guess if I'm going to take the time to research and find someone to do these, spend what ever money just for samples and other misc. things, phone calls, shipping back and forth. Your right, I'm a swindler, and a horrible person and not a cuemaker worthy to be called a cuemaker, I can't believe I wouldn't just do it to be a nice guy and help out my fellow cuemakers I mean who does all this leg work, Takes an item that one company sells for $20 and cuts it down to $5, and try's to sell it to his fellow cuemakers. If your thinking I'm going to make some money If I get these made, your probably right, yeah, I may end up cuting $15 off an item and I'm going to end up being a bad guy for it. Like I said, if you want to do it, and have the money to do it, I'll order mine through you, do it, you'll be the better man and make me look like an A$$hole.

MacGuy, Have a nice day.
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Sounds like someone hit a sore spot. Nobody cares, at least I don't anyway, what you pay for them nor what you sell them for. I buy stuff every day of the week. If I like the price I buy it, if not I don't, the sellers cost doesn't bother me a bit. There are a number of people on this forum who self stuff and certainly for a profit. That was not the question put to you though: The question was why you were including costs into the equation that should not have been there so as to justify your price. His question was WHY would new molds need to be made when the molds were already in use. There are very few priority bumpers that have custom molds such as Joss, McDermott and Viking with there logos embossed. I have never bought bumpers from a supply house, I get them all from the manufacturer who has them all in stock for other purposes. Maybe if your source makes you pay for new molds then perhaps your not doing the leg work that is needed for a better price. Bumpers aren't specially made for cues, just cue builders adapt them to their purpose. Standard, black bumpers are fine for my cues and that is what I use. If someone requests a special bumper for some reason it doesn't bother me if it costs .40 cents or a 120.00 as that customer is who is paying for it.

Dick
 
I'll throw in what I found out when I started looking for the brown bumpers.
The company who has the molds, wasn't interested in doing them in brown.
Don't know why, don't care why, but maybe a new company would do it if you were paying for them to make the molds.
We're really small fish in the big market.
http://www.midatlanticrubber.com/recessed_bumpers.htm
Here's the link to the company if anyone wants to pursue it. Good luck, and if you can get them to make them in brown, I'll gladly buy some.
 
Kelly_Guy said:
Maybe you two have a history, but I could find nothing in Mac's post to suggest any of the things you are alluding he insinuated. Wow.

Ok, I just read it again...and I still can't find anything malicious in it.

I also wondered if making a mold might not be necessary. I am glad I didn't suggest that, I try not to call people swindlers, lousy cuemakers, and assholes for no apparent reason.

Kelly
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Maybe your right, I got 6 pm's from guys saying if I was going to charge $5 for a rubber bumper, that I was screwing people, just not as much as the $20 supplier, atlas only sells them for .50cents for black why should I charge $5 for brown, blah blah blah,,,,,,,,,and I recieve 2 phone calls from guys saying the same thing, and 1 said they were going to troll my threads from now on telling everyone I'm an Asshole and bad to do buisness with and I've never done buisness with him, If they do say anything I will out them. I read the pm's and got those calls before I saw Macguys reply, so sorry, I was already pissed off, didn't mean to take it out on anyone if that wasn't implyed.

My apologies.
 
cutter said:
I'll throw in what I found out when I started looking for the brown bumpers.
The company who has the molds, wasn't interested in doing them in brown.
Don't know why, don't care why, but maybe a new company would do it if you were paying for them to make the molds.
We're really small fish in the big market.
http://www.midatlanticrubber.com/recessed_bumpers.htm
Here's the link to the company if anyone wants to pursue it. Good luck, and if you can get them to make them in brown, I'll gladly buy some.
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ON AN UP NOTE:

I have a "meeting" planned tomorrow with a supplier. THings are going faster than I thought.

Most of the company's people have post I've talked to already, and they aren't interested unless buying an obscene amount. I've done some research and 3 of the companies who used to do such bumpers have gone under, they mostly supply auto industry and we all know how thats going. But as luck would have it, a birdy landed in my lap today, so I'll keep people informed.
 
rhncue said:
Sounds like someone hit a sore spot. Nobody cares, at least I don't anyway, what you pay for them nor what you sell them for. I buy stuff every day of the week. If I like the price I buy it, if not I don't, the sellers cost doesn't bother me a bit. There are a number of people on this forum who self stuff and certainly for a profit. That was not the question put to you though: The question was why you were including costs into the equation that should not have been there so as to justify your price. His question was WHY would new molds need to be made when the molds were already in use. There are very few priority bumpers that have custom molds such as Joss, McDermott and Viking with there logos embossed. I have never bought bumpers from a supply house, I get them all from the manufacturer who has them all in stock for other purposes. Maybe if your source makes you pay for new molds then perhaps your not doing the leg work that is needed for a better price. Bumpers aren't specially made for cues, just cue builders adapt them to their purpose. Standard, black bumpers are fine for my cues and that is what I use. If someone requests a special bumper for some reason it doesn't bother me if it costs .40 cents or a 120.00 as that customer is who is paying for it.

Dick
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I've contacted 8 different suppliers in the last 2 weeks, looked online through many websites, and went to an injection mold shop about 40 miles from here, I build at night and sleep in the day, and all this was during my sleep time. Not yelling or saying in a pissed off manner, but thats the leg work I've put in so far. I don't know other makers work loads, but I have quit a few orders, and am plenty behind, I wish I could just pay someone to do my leg work and be done with it, but $20 a bumper in the long run, putting the effort in now will be worth it 5-10-20 years from now.

I'm with you, I don't care what others pay, if I want it, need it, have to have it, price doesn't matter. I just got up on the wrong side of the bed today, got woke up twice with 2 insulting calls and had some more of the same in pm's, most who know me know i'm pretty mellow, just tired, and insulted.

Boy, if people knew what exotic wood suppliers actually paid for there wood vs. selling price, people might take up arms. This last comment wasn't an insult to wood suppliers, the red tape they have or had to go through to get some woods from curtain countries is worth more than we pay.
 
RFisher said:
Maybe your right, I got 6 pm's from guys saying if I was going to charge $5 for a rubber bumper, that I was screwing people, just not as much as the $20 supplier, atlas only sells them for .50cents for black why should I charge $5 for brown, blah blah blah,,,,,,,,,and I recieve 2 phone calls from guys saying the same thing, and 1 said they were going to troll my threads from now on telling everyone I'm an Asshole and bad to do buisness with and I've never done buisness with him, If they do say anything I will out them. I read the pm's and got those calls before I saw Macguys reply, so sorry, I was already pissed off, didn't mean to take it out on anyone if that wasn't implyed.

My apologies.
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Bottom line is you are an individual, not someone buying 20,000 units at rock bottom manufacturing price. If you arrange a deal with someone, you do the leg work, only you know what your time is worth. Also, if you do arrange the deal and resell them, and there is the slightest problem with them, you should take them back for a full refund. If they come in wrong, you would have to eat the up front cost. That is the risk involved, and so you must price them accordingly for the risk to be worth it.

Now if you sold them for $5 a piece while making a sizable profit, and you did not unconditionally guarantee them and would not take them back over the slightest problem, then that would not be right. I think anyone selling a product should always guarantee satisfaction. Other than that, $5 is still saving someone $15 who would have to order one from Atlas instead. If someone else thought $5 was still unreasonable, they are free to try and arrange another deal and sell them for $3. That is what a free market is all about.

I hope you are successful. It just gives us another option.

Kelly
 
RFisher said:
Well then you go ahead and take the lead, If you want to do the leg work, and pay the other fees to get the ball rolling go ahead. And this is in the early-no stages anyway, It's nothing that's going to get done fast. The set up/mold price was just there warning it might not be cheap. And if it's a "stock item" with all the interest in brown bumpers why hasn't anyone else had them made, Atlas, Brianna, cuecomponents, hightower, you, ect..........by the way companys that are set up to make these styles of bumpers have the mold, one's that aren't Don't. Don't automaticly assume I'm getting them made by the same company as Atlas or prather.

And I think I know what your TONE represents, same as mine probably, it's a cheap part and shouldn't cost that much. Well I guess if I'm going to take the time to research and find someone to do these, spend what ever money just for samples and other misc. things, phone calls, shipping back and forth. Your right, I'm a swindler, and a horrible person and not a cuemaker worthy to be called a cuemaker, I can't believe I wouldn't just do it to be a nice guy and help out my fellow cuemakers I mean who does all this leg work, Takes an item that one company sells for $20 and cuts it down to $5, and try's to sell it to his fellow cuemakers. If your thinking I'm going to make some money If I get these made, your probably right, yeah, I may end up cuting $15 off an item and I'm going to end up being a bad guy for it. Like I said, if you want to do it, and have the money to do it, I'll order mine through you, do it, you'll be the better man and make me look like an A$$hole.

MacGuy, Have a nice day.
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I don't really understand the tone of your response. You could try these people.
http://www.atlanticindia.com

My catalog is old but they are a stock item and they will give you a quote to run them in a different color. They have some bumpers in sort of a brown as stock pieces. I haven't talked to them in a while but the last time I bought bumpers they were like $.40 cents each with a $100.00 minimum, might be more now. Either way manufactures get most parts they use from different sources and you can find almost anything stock with a little research. I thought the object of the thread was to find the bumpers. You can actually make them yourself with this stuff in any color you want.

http://www.smooth-on.com/

You just tint the rubber with some tints-all any color you want. Want green bumpers, no problem. For what most guys need, they can make themselves a couple of molds from Delrin rod. Any guy with a lathe could make one in less then a half hour and use it for years.
 
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macguy said:
I don't really understand the tone of your response. You could try these people.
http://www.atlanticindia.com

My catalog is old but they are a stock item and they will give you a quote to run them in a different color. They have some bumpers in sort of a brown as stock pieces. I haven't talked to them in a while but the last time I bought bumpers they were like $.40 cents each with a $100.00 minimum, might be more now. Either way manufactures get most parts they use from different sources and you can find almost anything stock with a little research. I thought the object of the thread was to find the bumpers. You can actually make them yourself with this stuff in any color you want.

http://www.smooth-on.com/

You just tint the rubber with some tints-all any color you want. Want green bumpers, no problem. For what most guys need, they can make themselves a couple of molds from Delrin rod. Any guy with a lathe could make one in less then a half hour and use it for years.
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Some of these companies have flat out said NO to any color other than black, one company has a white/clear natural color, kind of like what was on the x-breaker, and some wont do special orders for less than a run of 100,000 parts minimum.

I got a lead on them, so things are looking well, still have to order 5,000-10,000 but thats better than 100,000.

As I said, I got up on the wrong side of the bed, Like anyone I can get alittle hot under the collar, I'm human.

Actualy This thread is to see the interest in ordering bumpers, the other thread I posted was to see if anyone had found any or had any info on some. But thank you.
 
Bumbers

i'd be interested in one of those smaller orders!:wink:
 
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