Brunswick rails (new sub-rails)

perfectpocketz said:
Well then, the best thing to do is to keep new 860HR cloth on the table.
That way it will play just like the tables at the tournaments.

Why are you not playing much anymore, your still young and can see great?
There's a lot of young guns out there today...more than sure you can get some action....maybe it's time to learn the old man's game...one pocket.:D

Mark Gregory
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i play 1 pocket ok.
just dont play it enough.
i still see good and feel better than ever.
action sucks and i never have liked tourneys.
 
perfectpocketz said:
Well then, the best thing to do is to keep new 860HR cloth on the table.
That way it will play just like the tables at the tournaments.

Why are you not playing much anymore, your still young and can see great?
There's a lot of young guns out there today...more than sure you can get some action....maybe it's time to learn the old man's game...one pocket.:D

Mark Gregory
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yooooooo about how much would it cost to have
you come to columbus to recover my table?
do you have any other work in ohio anywhere?
 
real bartram said:
yooooooo about how much would it cost to have
you come to columbus to recover my table?
do you have any other work in ohio anywhere?
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Anything for a friend for a fee...lol
Chris, I never get that far north, but Glen can do it for you soon, he"s going to be up that way....or call Josh, he lives in the area.

I thought you were coming to conyers as soon as I recover the table?
Danny"s playing good, he"s always action.

Mark Gregory
 
perfectpocketz said:
Anything for a friend for a fee...lol
Chris, I never get that far north, but Glen can do it for you soon, he"s going to be up that way....or call Josh, he lives in the area.

I thought you were coming to conyers as soon as I recover the table?
Danny"s playing good, he"s always action.

Mark Gregory
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to tell you the truth mark
i have not played in 2 months or so
till the other day i prac.
right after dcc they said they would cover it
then i was going to come down and play
cause i was playing a little at the time.
im not going anywhere to play i would be
glad to play him in columbus ohio .
would be nice to play at home in 6 years i
think i played in columbus 2 times.
 
real bartram said:
to tell you the truth mark
i have not played in 2 months or so
till the other day i prac.
right after dcc they said they would cover it
then i was going to come down and play
cause i was playing a little at the time.
im not going anywhere to play i would be
glad to play him in columbus ohio .
would be nice to play at home in 6 years i
think i played in columbus 2 times.
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Chris, we both know how pool is....when you play good you have to go after them....brother... They are never coming after you... Unless they are champions...then who needs that shit..lol

Get in stroke and come down, I may even try some one pocket. :D

Mark Gregory
 
These are a set of Anniversary rails I rebuilt lately. Who ever had worked on this table in the past had used to wide of feather-strips to set the cloth...and split all 6 rails, so all the wood from a 1/2" back under the finish of the rails had to be cut out and replaced. The nut plates only had 2 screws each holding them on, so I drilled out and added 2 more per nut plate so they wouldn't pull out down the road when someone else is recovering this table. I installed the Diamond black K55 cushions and Simonis 860HR tour blue once I was finished. Switched all the slate wood screws out for 1/4"x20x4" machine screws and washers/nuts because all the wood was stripped out from having so many screw holes in the frame. Also had to remove all the bondo someone used to try and level out the seams of the slates instead of leveling the seams right...so that hardly any would be needed to fill the seams.

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realkingcobra said:
These are a set of Anniversary rails I rebuilt lately. Who ever had worked on this table in the past had used to wide of feather-strips to set the cloth...and split all 6 rails, so all the wood from a 1/2" back under the finish of the rails had to be cut out and replaced. The nut plates only had 2 screws each holding them on, so I drilled out and added 2 more per nut plate so they wouldn't pull out down the road when someone else is recovering this table. I installed the Diamond black K55 cushions and Simonis 860HR tour blue once I was finished. Switched all the slate wood screws out for 1/4"x20x4" machine screws and washers/nuts because all the wood was stripped out from having so many screw holes in the frame. Also had to remove all the bondo someone used to try and level out the seams of the slates instead of leveling the seams right...so that hardly any would be needed to fill the seams.

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Glen, the rails look awesome...you did a fantastic job....looks like my work..LOL
Now that's the kind of work people expect to have done for their money.
I'm more than sure the table will play awesome...nothing better then doing perfect work.
Congrats buddy, on another great rail job....glade to not see pieced wood work.....all new sub-rail.:thumbup:
See ya soon...at the end of the month..LOL

Mark Gregory
 
perfectpocketz said:
Glen, the rails look awesome...you did a fantastic job....looks like my work..LOL
Now that's the kind of work people expect to have done for their money.
I'm more than sure the table will play awesome...nothing better then doing perfect work.
Congrats buddy, on another great rail job....glade to not see pieced wood work.....all new sub-rail.:thumbup:
See ya soon...at the end of the month..LOL

Mark Gregory
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Look you banjo playing....tree humping...backwoods hillbilly...I TOLD you I sometimes cut off the whole sub-rail and then some....if just replacing wood wouldn't do the job right:D Just because I haven't shown that kind of work in the past....don't mean I don't know how to cut the sub-rails off and repair from there on out:rotflmao1::rotflmao1:...at least I don't use an AXE like you do to cut the rails off:D

Your brother...Glen:D
 
realkingcobra said:
Look you banjo playing....tree humping...backwoods hillbilly...I TOLD you I sometimes cut off the whole sub-rail and then some....if just replacing wood wouldn't do the job right:D Just because I haven't shown that kind of work in the past....don't mean I don't know how to cut the sub-rails off and repair from there on out:rotflmao1::rotflmao1:...at least I don't use an AXE like you do to cut the rails off:D

Your brother...Glen:D
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Just tell the truth, you road hog. lol
You studied all my work, and copied it....ya copy cat.:grin:
I never said you couldn't do it....I said you couldn't out of the back of a truck...now who's the hillbilly? lmao
Great job...trouble is brewing...if we keep fixing rails like this. lol:cool:

Your going to love working in my shop when you get here.

Mark Gregory
 
perfectpocketz said:
Just tell the truth, you road hog. lol
You studied all my work, and copied it....ya copy cat.:grin:
I never said you couldn't do it....I said you couldn't out of the back of a truck...now who's the hillbilly? lmao
Great job...trouble is brewing...if we keep fixing rails like this. lol:cool:

Your going to love working in my shop when you get here.

Mark Gregory
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What amazes me Mark...is that people will pay $25 for a cube of chalk, spend unreal money on cues...talk like they know everything about cue tips...CTE aiming systems...and the whole 9 yards about being a pool player...complain about the pool tables they play on in the pool rooms and bars they play at....but when it comes to their OWN pool tables getting fixed up RIGHT...most fall flat on their face...not knowing shit about what should be done....so they most all want to go as cheap as possible...hiring hacks to do the work....because they DON'T see the value of paying someone that KNOWS what they're doing....to do the job right in the first place.

That's why I asked you to post pictures of your work...so that OTHERS might see that there are other GREAT table mechanics out here willing to do the job right...the FIRST time. Seeing is believing in the work you do buddy....and you DO it right.

Pool room owners are just as guilty of hiring the cheap route as well, might as well throw in the bar owners too. I can't tell you how many rooms I've been in that I wouldn't play on the tables even if I was paid to...and don't know how the places even stay in business.

I have the utmost respect for the room owners that insist on having their pool tables worked on right, as well as the home owners that own pool tables that have learned a lot right here on AZ.

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
What amazes me Mark...is that people will pay $25 for a cube of chalk, spend unreal money on cues...talk like they know everything about cue tips...CTE aiming systems...and the whole 9 yards about being a pool player...complain about the pool tables they play on in the pool rooms and bars they play at....but when it comes to their OWN pool tables getting fixed up RIGHT...most fall flat on their face...not knowing shit about what should be done....so they most all want to go as cheap as possible...hiring hacks to do the work....because they DON'T see the value of paying someone that KNOWS what they're doing....to do the job right in the first place.

That's why I asked you to post pictures of your work...so that OTHERS might see that there are other GREAT table mechanics out here willing to do the job right...the FIRST time. Seeing is believing in the work you do buddy....and you DO it right.

Pool room owners are just as guilty of hiring the cheap route as well, might as well throw in the bar owners too. I can't tell you how many rooms I've been in that I wouldn't play on the tables even if I was paid to...and don't know how the places even stay in business.

I have the utmost respect for the room owners that insist on having their pool tables worked on right, as well as the home owners that own pool tables that have learned a lot right here on AZ.

Glen
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I agree on most of everything your saying Glen, but it hard for some room owners to pay more money to have their table done right, when they only charge $3.00 an hour...or don't have anyone that even understands the game.

Some owners are in a poolroom just barely keeping the doors open...how can they pay higher prices to have their tables done right... just to hope more people come and play because the tables play better then down the street.

I truly believe that if the room owner would have the tables done right at least one time, then they could hire someone cheaper the next time to touch up the level and cloth the tables....that would save them money in the long run.

It's really hard to maintain tables with so many different people playing on the same tables. The ones that spend the most money in the poolroom's don't care about the play of a table...they are just out to have some drinks and fun.

Did you ever notice that we get more calls to fix tables that everyone else has already worked on for years....(mostly wrong)...and we're expected to make the table play perfect when we're done.....now that's a treat...LOL

When I do a table for someone, I try and do the best job I can......if I get to do the table the next time...great..if someone else does the table then at least they have a good start on the job....pull all the staples..fix the wood...glue the slates...believe me, we all wish we could follow guy's that do the job right the first time.

Now, on the other hand...the room owner that can afford to have the tables done right...because business is great, and he tells people....why pay more, these people don't know the difference between a good table and a bad table.

Bottom line...people are going to play on any table...no matter what the tables play like.

Slowly but surely Glen, you're educating the people on how a table should be done right...and it's working...people are starting to ask questions about the job.
Funny story,I'm bee's waxing the seam of a table and this guy walks up to me and asked me what I was doing....I told him and he said...oh yeah..I do tables and I've never done that....I'm thinking..OK...maybe this guy knows something I don't....so I ask him, what do you use.....NOTHING...he says....I just push the slates together...put the cloth on..do some trick shot...tell the owner I know Johnny Archer...get my money and leave. LMAO

That was some funny shit...but you're helping to change that.
Everything takes time..hopefully we can get people to understand...that all the money they spend on cue's...cases..DVD's..lessons...the only thing all that is used for..is to play on a POOL TABLE!!!!!! :grin-square:

Mark Gregory
 
Mark...let me tell you a story about better playing tables and what they can do. Take Skip & Jan's pool room in Tempe, AZ for example. On a scale of 1 to 10...it was by far one of the best restaurant/lounge in the state, but when it came to the pool tables...it was the WORST! I wouldn't have played pool there even if I was paid to. When lunch time came around, the restaurant was full...but no one was playing pool. When Friday & Saturday nights came around...there might have been 4 to 6 people playing pool on a few of the Diamond 9ft Professionals...in a room with 7 Diamond 9fts, 5 Gold Crown 3's, and 12 bar tables...that's just sick!

So, the discussions began with the owner about fixing up the pool tables, starting with the Diamond's first. Slowly as Zach rebuilt the rails...using the same cushions I might add...that were already replaced once....but the last mechanic that replaced them...only spray glued them on...and never cut a pocket to the same dimensions on any of the tables.

Once the wheels of change were set in motion, players started showing up. More tables that played right, more players showed up. Now, where do you think them players came from Mark?...All the other pool rooms in the area...that's where they came from. Now, some of them were players, while others were just the normal ball bangers....but never-the-less...they slowly started showing up. Now...Skip & Jan's is THE place to play pool in the Phoenix area...and EVERYONE knows it.

I stopped in Colby's just a little while ago to check in on the one 9ft Diamond there...and asked the bartender where everyone was at, because the place looked closed once you walked in through the door....you know what he said to me Mark?...."everyone's at Skip & Jan', I sure wish we could get OUR tables fixed up like they did";)

So much for people not being able to tell one pool table from another;) Skip & Jan's has since then, installed 12 new Diamond 7ft Smart Tables, and are currently getting ready to give Zach the go-ahead on rebuilding the last of the 9ft'ers...the 5 remaining Gold Crown 3's. Once that's finished, Skip & Jan's will be a complete poolroom/restaurant/lounge once again...and will secure it's position as the TOP place in Arizona to play pool:D

Better playing pool tables is the way to go. As I always say, pool rooms don't go out of business just to quit, they go out of business because they haven't done ENOUGH to STAY IN business! Last years business plan...don't WORK for this year...or NEXT year. As a room owner, you MUST stay on top of things, and stay ahead of your competition.

To any pool room owner that might read this, it's not your die hard customers you need to keep happy, as they don't pay your bills...it's that "BALL BANGER" you have no respect for...in which you don't feel knows the difference between a good or bad pool table....you better hope you don't have a "SKIP & JAN"S" in YOUR backyard....or you might just find out...they CAN tell the difference!

Glen
 
Glen, big difference between rebuild the rails....or have new sub-rails put on the table.
The sub-rail job is a lot different than a three piece patch job...with new spec's.

I just don't believe in patching half of the sub-rail...unless the rail's not really that bad...but like I have been telling you for 2 years...replacement of the sub-rail is a lot more solid....and all round better job period.

If you're recalibrating the rails on the diamond...then that's completely different.

Mark Gregory
 
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perfectpocketz said:
Glen, big difference between rebuild the rails....or have new sub-rails put on the table.
The sub-rail job is a lot different than a three piece patch job...with new spec's.

I just don't believe in patching half of the sub-rail...unless the rail's not really that bad...but like I have been telling you for 2 years...replacement of the sub-rail is a lot more solid....and all round better job period.

If you're recalibrating the rails on the diamond...then that's completely different.

Mark Gregory
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I hear what you're saying Mark, but cutting off the entire sub-rail is not always the correct answer. Take a set of rails that have just had the top of the sub-rails belt sanded down an 1/8" of an inch just to mount some K66 cushions for example. You wouldn't cut the whole sub-rail off to repair the top of the sub-rail...would you?....OR how about a set of rails that have just been stapled out...and only need that area repaired....would you cut the whole sub-rail off to make that repair?...or simply replace the stapled out wood with new wood? There's no more strength in the glue used to hold on an entire sub-rail being replaced than there is using the remaining core of the original wood after removing the wood that needs to be repaired. Repaired is repaired no matter how you go about doing it. Yes, at times it can take longer to replace broke out, chewed out wood than replacing the entire sub-rail....but I assure you, no matter which repair is used, neither way of repairing a rail is any stronger in the end....than the glue used to bond the wood back together again, but I do both types of repairs...depending on the extend of the repairs needed.

It's kind of like, if the back porch of your house is rotted and falling apart, you don't tear down the whole house and build a new one...just to replace the back porch...do you?:D No matter how WE choose to repair a set of rails...there is no wrong way of doing it, as long as the end results are the same...then the final out come will be the same as well...a perfect playing pool table for years to come;)

Glen

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
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I hear what you're saying Mark, but cutting off the entire sub-rail is not always the correct answer. Take a set of rails that have just had the top of the sub-rails belt sanded down an 1/8" of an inch just to mount some K66 cushions for example. You wouldn't cut the whole sub-rail off to repair the top of the sub-rail...would you?....OR how about a set of rails that have just been stapled out...and only need that area repaired....would you cut the whole sub-rail off to make that repair?...or simply replace the stapled out wood with new wood? There's no more strength in the glue used to hold on an entire sub-rail being replaced than there is using the remaining core of the original wood after removing the wood that needs to be repaired. Repaired is repaired no matter how you go about doing it. Yes, at times it can take longer to replace broke out, chewed out wood than replacing the entire sub-rail....but I assure you, no matter which repair is used, neither way of repairing a rail is any stronger in the end....than the glue used to bond the wood back together again, but I do both types of repairs...depending on the extend of the repairs needed.

It's kind of like, if the back porch of your house is rotted and falling apart, you don't tear down the whole house and build a new one...just to replace the back porch...do you?:D No matter how WE choose to repair a set of rails...there is no wrong way of doing it, as long as the end results are the same...then the final out come will be the same as well...a perfect playing pool table for years to come;)

Glen

Glen
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I understand just fine....about both ways of doing the job...if the rail only needs a top or bottom, then that's what I will do...when you see the way I install the sub rails...well I'm pretty sure you well see something different.

Trust me...I don't just start cutting everyone's sub-rail off because of some damaged area's...but if you have to calibrate the top....because someone sanded it...you still need to add wood to the front of the sub-rail....now the corner and side have worm wood....the cloth relief was stapled 10 times....why would you piece the top and side...when it takes less time to change the whole thing...and 10 time better job?

Sure the price maybe higher...but the job is better...and I can tell the difference in the play of the table.
The sub-rail...jointed..glued..and screwed...very solid....adding wood is just a quick fix...period.

I've done it both ways for years....the complete new sub-rail on older tables are the best way to go.
The spec's of the rail are perfect...the feather strip dado's are original spec's.

By the time you do a top and front on one...I can have 6 ready for cushions.:D
I'm old school...and I'm knocking off that tried old sub-rail...and they come out pretty good.

While I'm at it with the porch...I'm going to knock the windows out too....:grin-square:

Mark Gregory
 
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perfectpocketz said:
I understand just fine....about both ways of doing the job...if the rail only needs a top or bottom, then that's what I will do...when you see the way I install the sub rails...well I'm pretty sure you well see something different.

Trust me...I don't just start cutting everyone's sub-rail off because of some damaged area's...but if you have to calibrate the top....because someone sanded it...you still need to add wood to the front of the sub-rail....now the corner and side have worm wood....the cloth relief was stapled 10 times....why would you piece the top and side...when it takes less time to change the whole thing...and 10 time better job?

Sure the price maybe higher...but the job is better...and I can tell the difference in the play of the table.
The sub-rail...jointed..glued..and screwed...very solid....adding wood is just a quick fix...period.

I've done it both ways for years....the complete new sub-rail on older tables are the best way to go.
The spec's of the rail are perfect...the feather strip dado's are original spec's.

By the time you do a top and front on one...I can have 6 ready for cushions.:D
I'm old school...and I'm knocking off that tried old sub-rail...and they come out pretty good.

While I'm at it with the porch...I'm going to knock the windows out too....:grin-square:

Mark Gregory
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Mark...just because you said I COULDN'T....I'm just going to PATCH these rails up....you think they'll be OK when I'm done:rotflmao1:

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All I should need....is about a quart of Bondo...don't you think?:D

Glen
 
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