CamposCues said:
Sorry, 9-footer...
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Brunswick vs Diamond
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Sorry, 9-footer...
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Well, I guess I'll just keep bumping walls thenPatrick Johnson said:
I don't care much for Gabriels 9fts, way to much MDF in the legs and rail blinds. Cheap way of mounting the drop pockets. Cheap slate leveling bolt systemPatrick Johnson said:
Cheap pocket liners. Pocket facings are way to thick, and still have buckets for pockets. Glen
OH yeah..."In my opinion"...lmfao
ForumGhost516 said:
There are no Diamond tables on the Predator Tour in NYC. There are no Diamond tables in any poolroom in NY, NJ or LI. Regarding the Joss Tour, only the Turning Stone event is not in a poolroom allowing the tour to dictate which type of table is used and I'm pretty sure Diamonds are used.
another thing for Brunswick fans to consider, made in the usa vs made by chinese children
realkingcobra said:I don't care much for Gabriels 9fts, way to much MDF in the legs and rail blinds. Cheap way of mounting the drop pockets. Cheap slate leveling bolt system
Glen
OH yeah..."In my opinion"...lmfao
Your opinion definitely means something, Glen, and those are things I didn't know. My opinion is from a player's point of view - the Gabriels I've played on seemed much more solid than any other table, had the widest, flattest rails and the most high quality "look" (at least to me). When a ball is rolled across or dropped on the slate it seems to make much less noise than other tables, which I took to mean thicker slate.
Do the things you mentioned apply to all models? Are they things that would affect playability if the table is well set up (like you'd do it)?
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NoBull9 said:
oh yes, how could I forget that prime Brazillian slate, guess they don't trust the chinese kiddies with their "flagship"
and fwiw, imo they were once a great company, manufacturer of the finest tables and great promoters of the game with a wonderfull heritage that included a strong Canadian presence
those days are gone
those days are gone
smashmouth said:
That's OK, them tables last a long time!
the older ones? definetly
Gabriels
Some valid observations. Although, on mine at least, the slate leveling system is unneeded. I never had to use it. The steel frame must be perfect. I dropped the slates on and presto, it was money. No shimming of anything to get slates to line up. It was dead nuts. It was a breath of fresh air compared to my GC IV.
realkingcobra said:I don't care much for Gabriels 9fts, way to much MDF in the legs and rail blinds. Cheap way of mounting the drop pockets. Cheap slate leveling bolt system
Glen
OH yeah..."In my opinion"...lmfao
Some valid observations. Although, on mine at least, the slate leveling system is unneeded. I never had to use it. The steel frame must be perfect. I dropped the slates on and presto, it was money. No shimming of anything to get slates to line up. It was dead nuts. It was a breath of fresh air compared to my GC IV.
The Gabriel's 9ft slate is the same slate used in the Diamond 9ft Professionals, lets start with that. I don't know about other Gabriel's tables, other than their billiards tables, as I don't normally deal with anything less than the best of manufactures, not even DiamondPatrick Johnson said:
sometimes I make exceptions to my rules and deliver non-commercial tables too, but not often as I don't really see a need for my skill level to be used on tables that can simply be shipped to the location and someone there set the table up. And no, I don't think the things I mentioned affect the play ability of the table, but I do believe they have an impact on the value of the table at a later date. With some of the things I mentioned, like how the baskets mount with the dog ears, one has to be very careful as to how much pressure is placed on the baskets as to avoid pulling out the threaded bolt inserts that hold the pockets in place, or you're going to be trying to figure out how to remount the baskets for the balls. I just think Gabriel's could have done some of the things they did, a little better is all. I'm not knocking the table, it is in my top 4 tables of choice for the best tables built to day for commercial use, it could just be designed a little better from a billiards technician's repair point of view.
And if asked, my top 4 picks are (1) Diamond ProAm, (2) Diamond Professional, (3) Brunswick GC's, (4) Gabriel's.
Now, that's only in "MY OPINION"...LMAO..I think that's 5 times now I've said that
and still don't like it Glen
PS, and just to set the record straight, of my 4 picks of tables, the only one I don't have any complaints about is the ProAm's, as far as I'm concerned from a technicians point of view, there is nothing left to change or improve on with this table, and you can rest assured, if there was...I'd have complained about it to Diamond a long time ago. The table is just the nuts, and I really think it's design is way beyond anything else on the market today, so much so that I feel that it's in a class all by itself, as this table really has NO equal
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Patrick Johnson said:
I have a Gabriels and wouldn't trade it for anything.
But if forced at gunpoint to trade it, it would be for a Diamond Pro.
It's interesting to me that we even have this discussion, GC vs. Diamond.
Just imagine that instead of the way things are --with everybody growing up on GCs and having played for decades on GCs and with Diamond sort of breaking into this scene ---
we instead took a trip through the looking glass to a world where all the pool players grew up on, played tournaments on, told gambling stories about Diamonds, and GCs were newer and trying to break into this scene.
I think the response would be a universal ... ARE YOU KIDDING???
Ya now.....Brunswick had the option years ago of shutting down the start of Diamond tables, all they had to do was listen to the players that wanted better tables to play on, and take the initiative to do something about it, shutting the door on Diamond's beginning, but as they say..."you snooze, you lose"mikepage said:
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I won't argue with the cobra, but I'll throw my 2 cents in. I prefer the Gabriels over the Diamond Pro but not proam. The Gabriels is a very well built table. I would prefer the Diamond Proam over the Gabriels. Mainly because it is a one piece slate. That being said, and I'm no top notch mechanic, my Gabriels is as close to a one piece slate as i've ever encountered. It went together very easy.
I won't argue with the cobra, but I'll throw my 2 cents in. I prefer the Gabriels over the Diamond Pro but not proam. The Gabriels is a very well built table. I would prefer the Diamond Proam over the Gabriels. Mainly because it is a one piece slate. That being said, and I'm no top notch mechanic, my Gabriels is as close to a one piece slate as i've ever encountered. It went together very easy.
I think it's a nice looking table, I think it's a nice table in a home, but...not in a pool room. Any kind of table in a commercial environment that still depends on nailing the pockets in, or uses plywood for rails, particle board for side skirts...is not going to last over the long haul, which is one of the expectations of commercial pool tablesspoonie said:
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