Brunswick vs Diamond

[cigardave]

I can tell you right now, that a Diamond ProAm bought used today for $4,000.00...20 years from now is going to be worth most all of that...IF the owner was even willing to part with it.
Glen

Hmmmmm... it looks like I made a good decision... not that I really doubted it... I have a used Pro Am coming soon, thanks to Glen ... but I agree with him... $4k for a 6-month old Pro Am with Dymondwood rails looks like a damn good investment at this point in time. Wish that I could do as well with my 401k.

 

[jalapus logan]

RKC, I appreciate and agree with your comments about the quality of the Diamond product. I would like to pitch in my two cents worth as well. I have played on both GC's and Diamond Pro's. It became clear to me that the Diamond Pro is the superior product. I was fortunate to pick one up on Ebay for $3200 last summer. Best money I've ever spent. Mine came with the Dymondwood. I think it looks great compared to the GC's laminate and I can certainly tell you that this material is high quality and will last a LONG time. The leather pockets certaily beat the GC's plastic design. No marks on my cue. Also, I wanted a table that has tight pockets without being shimmed. The pro table was just the ticket. Anyway, when anyone asks me (which is a rarity, believe me), I always recommend the Diamond pro or pro am. But, of course my advice is worth exactly what you paid for it...

- exstatic Diamond owner

Also, for RKC, perhaps you can settle this debate for me. A couple of my friends also own Diamond Pro's. One of their tables has looser corner pockets than mine or my other buddy's. The looser one was made in 1999 or 2000 and the other two were made two years ago or so. Did Diamond produce Pro tables with differing cuts for the corner pockets? Thanks in advance for your reply.

 

[realkingcobra]

Also, for RKC, perhaps you can settle this debate for me. A couple of my friends also own Diamond Pro's. One of their tables has looser corner pockets than mine or my other buddy's. The looser one was made in 1999 or 2000 and the other two were made two years ago or so. Did Diamond produce Pro tables with differing cuts for the corner pockets? Thanks in advance for your reply.

Yes, in fact they still do today. Buyers have a choice between Pro Cut pockets or Billiard Cut pockets on any of the Diamond Professional or ProAm line of tables

Glen

 

[cigardave]

Did Diamond produce Pro tables with differing cuts for the corner pockets?

jalapus... the difference may be pro cut pockets. Although I'm no expert on Diamond tables, I believe that (at a minimum) the Pro Am and the Pro table come with either standand pockets or pro cut pockets, which I understand the corner pockets are 4.5" wide.

I'm sure that Glen will be along to either confirm what I just typed... or to correct me.


Edited: to say that he beat me to the punch.

 

[realkingcobra]

Cobra you like to hear yourself talk apparently with three straight replies. How do you know the Diamond's will be worth anything 20 years from now. Have they been around 20 years? Take a look at 35 year old Gold Crowns and they are still great playing tables. Gold crowns II and III have great resale value. You do need a decent mechanic to set them up but after that they are cadillac-ing for decades. Can you really say that about a Diamond? I don't think so. The entire Diamond line of tables do look good but as far as holding up for several years or decades like Gold Crowns is riDONKulous to think. My short favorite word. LOL

LMFAO I just thought of something that just makes me laugh so hard In all the years I've been working on pool tables, never once have I had a customer ask me to change the cushions and loosen the pockets up...so my DIAMOND will play just like a Brunswick GC...on the contrary, I get the calls to go to someone's house, or pool room and take a GC, change the cushions, tighten the pockets...to make them play more like a DIAMOND Now you have to admit...that's funny

Glen

 

[realkingcobra]

Cobra you like to hear yourself talk apparently with three straight replies. How do you know the Diamond's will be worth anything 20 years from now. Have they been around 20 years? Take a look at 35 year old Gold Crowns and they are still great playing tables. Gold crowns II and III have great resale value. You do need a decent mechanic to set them up but after that they are cadillac-ing for decades. Can you really say that about a Diamond? I don't think so. The entire Diamond line of tables do look good but as far as holding up for several years or decades like Gold Crowns is riDONKulous to think. My short favorite word. LOL

psssss...and just for your information buckwheat I have over 700 requests to change Brunswicks to play like Diamonds from all over the country...that means from coast to coast, so I do what I can for who I can as long as it's along my delivery route delivering Diamond tables to customers. I can't fix them all, but I do what I can, when I can. So, you just keep talking up the Brunswick's, and I'll keep delivering the Diamonds. I have nothing against Brunswick GC's, but Diamond is making the needed changes in their line up of commercial tables to keep my business, not Brunswick, or anyone else for that matter
Glen

 

[Tommy-D]

> It's always been my understanding that for people with deep pockets,or for someone buying/leasing several tables like when opening a new room,that the GC can be ordered new with their version of the "pro cut" pocket,right at 4 1/2 or slightly smaller out at the tips. It was also my understanding that in order to get one this way,you had to specify that you wanted a "tournament spec" table. Is this the case? I know the GC's that Barry used to use at the U.S. Open were pretty damn snug. Tommy D.

 

[realkingcobra]

> It's always been my understanding that for people with deep pockets,or for someone buying/leasing several tables like when opening a new room,that the GC can be ordered new with their version of the "pro cut" pocket,right at 4 1/2 or slightly smaller out at the tips. It was also my understanding that in order to get one this way,you had to specify that you wanted a "tournament spec" table. Is this the case? I know the GC's that Barry used to use at the U.S. Open were pretty damn snug. Tommy D.

I don't know about the GC5's, but no GC in the past has ever been available with anything but standard pocket openings. If the GC5 offers something called a Pro Cut pocket opening, I'd have to see it first before I could comment on it

Glen

 

[Renos]

Buckwheat-Is that a racial comment or what? So are you a Diamond rep going all over the country and saving people from Gold Crowns by the hundreds. Maybe you need a spandex suit with a giant D on it. In the meantime I will keep shooting on my Gold Crowns until you arrive in my town with Diamond tables on your back. Your my hero Captain D. Sorry no reference to the those fish and chip guys.

 

[BPG24]

Buckwheat- So are you a Diamond rep going all over the country and saving people from Gold Crowns by the hundreds. Maybe you need a spandex suit with a giant D on it. In the meantime I will keep shooting on my Gold Crowns until you arrive in my town with Diamond tables on your back. Your my hero Captain D. Sorry no reference to the those fish and chip guys.

I haven't read any comments in this whole thread. This is the first one.

i must say it it pretty funny. rep to you

 

[bud green]

As a smart ass who grew up around nothing but other people who will blast back at anyone who chirps at them , I can understand renos firing back at realkingcobra. But....

The only problem is realkingcobra probably knows 100x more than renos about tables so you might want to find someone else to bark at. Glen makes his living at it and is obviously a top professional so you might want to find easier game to hunt.

I seriously doubt anyone who doesn't work on tables full time has enough experience to judge their long term durability. I only helped set up tables for a short while, but I realized I didn't know shit about doing it. Doing it right is harder than it looks.

I've learned even more about how much I don't know about it after seeing a number of Glens posts.

 

[realkingcobra]

Buckwheat-Is that a racial comment or what?

Racial comment? I don't know you, so how can that be considered racial? Would you have understood it better if I'd have started it with "Yo Dude"? And no, I'm not a Diamond rep, I'm a billiards technician. What do YOU do for a living?...Sell Brunswick's?

Glen

 

[realkingcobra]

Buckwheat-Is that a racial comment or what? So are you a Diamond rep going all over the country and saving people from Gold Crowns by the hundreds. Maybe you need a spandex suit with a giant D on it. In the meantime I will keep shooting on my Gold Crowns until you arrive in my town with Diamond tables on your back. Your my hero Captain D. Sorry no reference to the those fish and chip guys.

You've now made 8 posts, since July of 07. 6 of them 8 posts are directed to me, here in the main forum, and in the mechanics section. If you're so Pro Brunswick...why haven't you had anything to say in the last 9 months about Brunswick tables, and now that you can type...why take on me of all the people here on AZ? If I had to bet, I'd say you have a personal agenda, and it's with me All I can say...is be careful with your agenda

A word to the wise, should be sufficient

Glen

 

[realkingcobra]

Buckwheat-Is that a racial comment or what? So are you a Diamond rep going all over the country and saving people from Gold Crowns by the hundreds. Maybe you need a spandex suit with a giant D on it. In the meantime I will keep shooting on my Gold Crowns until you arrive in my town with Diamond tables on your back. Your my hero Captain D. Sorry no reference to the those fish and chip guys.

I listed a few "Facts" about the differences between Diamond ProAms and Brunswick GC's, you've failed to come back with ANY facts about Brunswick tables to support your claim that Brunswick tables are "better" than Diamond tables, all you've done is try to discredit me because you like Brunswick tables better, yet you've stated it's a "fact" that Brunswick's are better...so, state your facts then, and stop playing games, because I'm not playing anymore

Glen


1) Leather pocket liners, instead of plastic...like Brunswick's.
2) Faster ball return than Brunswick ever dreamed of.
3) Bi-level pocket liners, and no metal pocket castings...like Brunswick's.
4) One piece 9ft slate, which means there's no seams to come apart like on Brunswicks...no matter WHO sets the table up.
5) Much higher re-sale value than a Brunswick GC.
6) Diamond adjustable wedge leveling system which allows a technician to continue leveling the slate AFTER the table is assembled...unlike Brunswick, which you CAN'T adjust the level of the slate a year later if need be...unless you take the cloth off and break the seams apart to re-level the slates!
7) The Diamond ProAm is the fastest 9ft in the world to set up. Can be set up and ready to play on...before you can even finish packing in the GC parts and pieces, let alone...assemble it!
8) Diamond offers pro cut pocket openings, wereas Brunswick does not.

I'll even add a few more for you to try and compete with.

9) If bought at the price of new, a Diamond ProAm 9ft is about 40% cheaper than a new Brunswick GC5.

10) The ProAm also can be bought in the coin-operated version called the "Smart Table"...Brunswick don't make a 9ft coin-operated pool table!

11) All Diamond 9ft's come with Artemis Intercontinental K55 cushions, Brunswick still uses Brunswick Super Speed cusions, in which you have NO idea as to how long they're going to last, ask any billiards technician who's had to replace them, then ask if ANY billiards technician has ever had to replace the Artemis cushions on a Diamond before!

So, before you say anything else to me, please respond to the listed facts above...with YOUR facts backing up YOUR claim that Brunswick is better than Diamond tables, and please...just list the facts...OK

Glen

 

[smashmouth]

for all you GC fans looking at buying new? what happened to supporting made in the USA?

 

[2l82bgr8]

If I were to buy a table I would consider what all the tournaments are using and based on that, Diamonds are the wave of the future.

 

[poolhustler]

If I were to buy a table I would consider what all the tournaments are using and based on that, Diamonds are the wave of the future.

Depends on what level tournament that you play.

Also, consider that there have been thousands and thousands of GC's built over the last 60 or so years. Of course they will be MUCH cheaper than the Diamonds. Only makes sense. Diamonds are the new HOT table and will comand a premium price. 60 years from now when thousands and thousands have been built, they will be MUCH cheaper.......

Just my .02

Russ....

 

[little bubba]

I have put together both and the Gold Crown is much easier if you know what your doing. In the long run the Gold Crown will hold much better resale value and will still be standing like a tank 30 years from now. The Diamond will look like crap after 5 years. The rails on the Diamond will look horrible in 2 to 3 years and the whole table will be ready to flush in about 5 in a commercial setting. Go to a poolhall and see for yourself. Come on, this is a no brainer. The Diamond people are trying to reinvent the wheel and are not doing a very good job. Sorry Diamond fans. Facts are facts.

Renos, the Diamonds I am refering to are Pro Am (1 piece slate). There is no shimming, so that in itself was the point I was trying to make. It's not a matter of knowing what your doing if you don't have to shim, ya don't have shim! JMO

 

[NoBull9]

Realkingcobra The pockets on the Gold Crown 5 TE are 4 1/2 tip face of face pad,at the shelf 4 1/4. At the rear of the face pad 3 3/4.

 

[realkingcobra]

Realkingcobra The pockets on the Gold Crown 5 TE are 4 1/2 tip face of face pad,at the shelf 4 1/4. At the rear of the face pad 3 3/4.

Are they single shimmed thick, or are the sub-rails actually extended, then shimmed?

Glen