Send these pics in a PM to azer; ideologist Patrick should be able to help answer your question.I have what I would assume is an authentic Brunswick Willie HOPPE pool cue. It has the correct appearance and appropriate label, but it does not have the signature. It also has KK embossed on the butt. Can this be an authentic Willie HOPPE without th signature?View attachment 759422View attachment 759423View attachment 759424View attachment 759425
The HOPPE butt plate 1951 and later did not have the white ring according to the website Vintage Cues for You. However, you are probably right about it being a converted cue.It doesn’t have the Hoppe butt plate….gotta a feeling it’s a converted Brunswick house cue.
…..these are Hoppes
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I have what I would assume is an authentic Brunswick Willie HOPPE pool cue. It has the correct appearance and appropriate label, but it does not have the signature. It also has KK embossed on the butt. Can this be an authentic Willie HOPPE without th signature?View attachment 759422View attachment 759423View attachment 759424View attachment 759425
It doesn’t have the Hoppe butt plate….gotta a feeling it’s a converted Brunswick house cue.
…..these are Hoppes
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Why would the custom shop place a Willie Hoppe label on cue even though no signature? Also, would the embossed KK initials be any indication? Thanks for your response.This could also be a custom shop order from the late 50's hence the variation
Actually not all Hoppe cues had that white ring at the bottom. Some did (especially some of the older ones) but not all did. This is the one I bought brand new in 1963, it has a signature but no white ring. I still have it and would never part with it for sentimental reasons.It doesn’t have the Hoppe butt plate….gotta a feeling it’s a converted Brunswick house cue.
…..these are Hoppes
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Anything but (no pun). The Hoppe ring is classic. I bought a Predator sneaky years ago and had a leather wrap and Hoppe ring put on. Will post when I get a chance.I find the single ring to be a bit boring.
Thanks for your response. The connector on your cue is very different from my cue. What is your opinion on my cue not having a signature?Actually not all Hoppe cues had that white ring at the bottom. Some did (especially some of the older ones) but not all did. This is the one I bought brand new in 1963, it has a signature but no white ring. I still have it and would never part with it for sentimental reasons.
I suspect that your cue was an actual Hoppe cue and not a house cue. It may have has some modifications over the years. At some point as far as the signature is concerned, it may have just worn off much as the signature on my Helmstetter has worn off over the years.Thanks for your response. The connector on your cue is very different from my cue. What is your opinion on my cue not having a signature?
Thanks for your response.I believe it to be an original two piece Brunswick Professional cue. The cue may have had the forearm refinished and hence the lack of signature. Maybe the whole cue was refinished and they were careful around the label. Or maybe the first owner had connections with the factory and requested one before Willie Hoppe was pressed on?
I have seen thousands of these cues and a few of the signatures were weak but still visible.
And yes I believe the first generation had the ivory ring. The second generation it was possible to special order the ring. After that it was not an option.
HoppyOn a side note how do you pronounce Hoppe? Hoppy? Hope?