Buddy Hall gave up more weight than anyone! 1-9, the break, and the first shot!

Lock N Load said:
Hey Cleary,
The guy was good. He broke dry and didi not get a shot most of the time. He lost. And Buddy Hall will give you the same game whenever you want it!
Many Regards,
Lock n Load.
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You said he gets the first shot. If you get the first shot, it doesnt matter if you make a ball on the break or not. If you break fairly soft and sqaure, you should always have some sort of shot at the 1ball.

Next time I run into Buddy Hall, I'll be sure to ask him for it. I'm not saying I'm gonna go all in, but I would fire a few hundred at it.
 
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I was just thinking that if you get the break and the first shot, break safe to get the 1 out of the pack, then shoot it in the side. It seems like stealing to me.
 
Jerry OC said:
You have to ask Keith, but I think Buddy gave Keith the 7 and beat him, at the original Hardtimes in Costa Mesa around 76--77'.
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Beat him like a Drum!!! Buddy Hall is not be taken likely by any means! Thanks for your input!!!
Many Regards,
Lock N load.
 
cleary said:
You said he gets the first shot. If you get the first shot, it doesnt matter if you make a ball on the break or not. If you break fairly soft and sqaure, you should always have some sort of shot at the 1ball.

Next time I run into Buddy Hall, I'll be sure to ask him for it. I'm not saying I'm gonna go all in, but I would fire a few hundred at it.
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You have to make a legal nine ball break!!!
Thanks again!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
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Lock N Load said:
You have to make a legalnine ball break!!!
Thanks again!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
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A soft break is a legit break as long as 4 balls touch a rail. I'll try the ghost like this(without ball in hand). Break and get the 1out. I'll let you know how I do against the ghost.
 
cleary said:
A soft break is a legit break as long as 4 balls touch a rail. I'll try the ghost like this(without ball in hand). Break and get the 1out. I'll let you know how I do against the ghost.
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Cleary,
I will be waiting to hear how you do!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
Nostroke said:
I saw it in a couple of books where some one hole player (Jersey Red)? gave a spot where no balls he made in his hole counted-only the ones you made in his hole counted.
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That has gotta to be the best spot i ever heard of...!!!

LOVE It...going to have to try it out.
 
Lock n load,
I was talking to T.R. Mcintosh and he said Buddy may want to stay with me when he comes to florida in a few weeks.I`ve been busy and haven`t had time to call him.Tell him he`s welcome to stay with me if he wants.I told him in nashville he could stay at the house while I was in vietnam,cambodia and korea if wanted but I know he got sick.He has my number just tell him to call me if he wants to stay here,thanks mike v
 
cleary said:
The 1 out, the breaks and first shot???? Sounds like it has less to do with how strong Buddy was playing and more to do with how bad the other player is. I'm terrible as all hell at this game, but I'll play anyone like that!
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I don't think it has anything to do with how the other player plays. On a tough table a guy might not be making a ball on the break more than 1 in 3. Out of the breaks he does have a shot he's only going to make that first ball half the time(or some number). If they don't count on the break, which is what it would have to be, Buddy's mathematically supposed to win. If you think about the times you've spotted someone the breaks and they break dry or miss the first shot and you just keep running out racks and they never get a shot. Pretty simple, happens all the time.
 
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cleary said:
The 1 out, the breaks and first shot???? Sounds like it has less to do with how strong Buddy was playing and more to do with how bad the other player is. I'm terrible as all hell at this game, but I'll play anyone like that!
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Take the bet cleary and i want half your action...Not saying someone couldnt win with this spot but been around the game and i can tell you someone who's loses with this spot is not a player has no brains and couldnt hit his a$$ in 49 attempts.;)
 
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JesseAllred said:
I don't think it has anything to do with how the other player plays. On a tough table a guy might not be making a ball on the break more than 1 in 3. Out of the breaks he does have a shot he's only going to make that first ball half the time(or some number). If they don't count on the break, which is what it would have to be, Buddy's mathematically supposed to win. If you think about the times you've spotted someone the breaks and they break dry or miss the first shot and you just keep running out racks and they never get a shot. Pretty simple, happens all the time.
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It doesn't matter if you make a ball on the break. You are getting the breaks, 1out AND the first shot. So you break dry and you still get to shoot at the 1ball.

I tried it last night and all I gotta say is, :|> <--that's me wearing a bandana cause im stone stealing.
 
Have never heard of anyone giving up this spot. Usually the player giving up the 1-9 is the one who gets the break and first shot. That is a pretty common spot, and not too hard to outrun. It's kind of a sucker bet, really, but sometimes useful for chumming.

Buddy was not known for matching up bad, so if he gave up that spot it was either to someone who couldn't play at all or he was doing some social engineering. A C player will make you hate it with that spot, IMO.

Edit: That is also the only way I have seen the "ball to the end rail" and "legal hit" spots given. The player giving those spots usually gets the break if not the break and first shot. The only way to win against someone who can play at all is to have an opportunity to outrun the spot - no way to outrun it if you never get to break.

Aaron
 
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Aaron_S said:
Have never heard of anyone giving up this spot. Usually the player giving up the 1-9 is the one who gets the break and first shot. That is a pretty common spot, and not too hard to outrun. It's kind of a sucker bet, really, but sometimes useful for chumming.

Buddy was not known for matching up bad, so if he gave up that spot it was either to someone who couldn't play at all or he was doing some social engineering. A C player will make you hate it with that spot, IMO.

Aaron
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I was thinking the same thing.Someone giving that up hates there money..
 
cleary said:
It doesn't matter if you make a ball on the break. You are getting the breaks, 1out AND the first shot. So you break dry and you still get to shoot at the 1ball.

I tried it last night and all I gotta say is, :|> <--that's me wearing a bandana cause im stone stealing.
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dang, I think I ignored that first shot bit because it was so insane I couldn't even see it. That makes all the difference in the world. If the player doesn't know how to take advantage of it with the right break Buddy might still win 1 out of 5 sets...wow, crazy.
 
Aaron_S said:
Have never heard of anyone giving up this spot. Usually the player giving up the 1-9 is the one who gets the break and first shot. That is a pretty common spot, and not too hard to outrun. It's kind of a sucker bet, really, but sometimes useful for chumming.

Buddy was not known for matching up bad, so if he gave up that spot it was either to someone who couldn't play at all or he was doing some social engineering. A C player will make you hate it with that spot, IMO.

Edit: That is also the only way I have seen the "ball to the end rail" and "legal hit" spots given. The player giving those spots usually gets the break if not the break and first shot. The only way to win against someone who can play at all is to have an opportunity to outrun the spot - no way to outrun it if you never get to break.

Aaron
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Hey Aaron,
Buddy had to make the 9 in either side straight in, no banks or kicks. He told me last night he had given up another big spot. He break and get ball in hand, if he miss you win the game!!! Look at what Jesse Allred said about that 1-9 spot!!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
Lock N Load said:
Hey Aaron,
Buddy had to make the 9 in either side straight in, no banks or kicks. He told me last night he had given up another big spot. He break and get ball in hand, if he miss you win the game!!! Look at what Jesse Allred said about that 1-9 spot!!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
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The spot I highlighted in red sounds more like it, and that is the same as playing the 9-ball ghost. Buddy will torture the 9-ball ghost right now, and he probably would have tortured the 12-ball ghost in his prime. Whoever took that bet just didn't know what they were getting into.

Not disputing your story - I know Buddy gave up ungodly weight at times - but you may want to verify the information about the first spot with him. As I said, usually the player giving up the 1-9 is the one who got the breaks. But if he was playing a non-player he may very well have won giving up that spot.

Aaron
 
Aaron_S said:
The spot I highlighted in red sounds more like it, and that is the same as playing the 9-ball ghost. Buddy will torture the 9-ball ghost right now, and he probably would have tortured the 12-ball ghost in his prime. Whoever took that bet just didn't know what they were getting into.

Not disputing your story - I know Buddy gave up ungodly weight at times - but you may want to verify the information about the first spot with him. As I said, usually the player giving up the 1-9 is the one who got the breaks. But if he was playing a non-player he may very well have won giving up that spot.

Aaron
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I did verify it when he told me! Nick Varner and buddy Hall were in the World's pool hall, Buffalo's Billiards in Metairie Louisiana last year and Buddy Hall broke and run every game, he stated where the cue was going to be multiple shots ahead!!! and Nick had a local player take a 10 ball game with him and wow! Nick was awesome!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
Lock N Load said:
I did verify it when he told me! Nick Varner and buddy Hall were in the World's pool hall, Buffalo's Billiards in Metairie Louisiana last year and Buddy Hall broke and run every game, he stated where the cue was going to be multiple shots ahead!!! and Nick had a local player take a 10 ball game with him and wow! Nick was awesome!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
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Yes, they are both truly awesome. Two of my all time favorite players.

Take care,
Aaron
 
Lock...I've seen a lot of ridiculous weight given up.
Those spots are usually indicative of how horrible the other player is, not
how good the player is who's giving the weight.

I am most impressed about Buddy Hall because he gave WORLD CHAMPIONS
WEIGHT....and gave Efren his biggest loss on American soil playing even.

regards
double hemlock..<..who knows about giving up serious weight
 
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