Buddy Hall position shot
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I remember seeing this tip from Buddy a couple times. In my recollection, which could be wrong, I thought he said the shot was to be hit at about 7:30 or 8:00 on the cue ball which would put it below center.
I took his repeated comment about the shot being and "spin shot" and not a "draw shot" just as an explanation of the primary action of the shot and not a definitive statement. I understood the shot to be using the below center hit or "draw" portion of the shot to "draw" ball into the rail where the "spin" would take over and move the ball down the table.
I took his repeated comment about the shot being and "spin shot" and not a "draw shot" just as an explanation of the primary action of the shot and not a definitive statement. I understood the shot to be using the below center hit or "draw" portion of the shot to "draw" ball into the rail where the "spin" would take over and move the ball down the table.
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tedkaufman said:
Come on guys. If the cueball has to arrive without any draw, it HAS to be spinning backwards from start point. That's why Buddy jacks up his cue, to get some draw. If he hit the ball without any draw whatsoever at the START, by the time it got to the target, it would be rolling forward and not be a stun shot anymore, no matter how hard you hit it.
IPT-hopeful said:
I think most of you get it, for those who don't, to make a stop shot at that distance, of course you hit the cueball below center. How much you hit below center depends on your stroke and the speed you hit the shot. It is technically not a draw shot because you want the cueball sliding, not rolling, nor backspinning at the point of contact. If you were hitting a straight shot at that distance you would make a simple stop shot. That's the stroke.
After contact, the cueball caroms at roughly 90* off the object ball because it has no forward nor reverse spin. But is has left spin, so when it contacts the rail, it spins up table.
Here is the shot I was talking about. It is the second shot in the first video clip. The video title is Chalk-off Instructional series #10.
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=BClub
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=BClub
Hal said:
From the video clip, it appears that Hal's initial diagram is off a bit. The video clip shows that the 6-ball is actually just outside the jaws of the pocket (not near the seventh diamond shown in the diagram). And the cue ball is actually near the second diamond (not the first diamond shown in Hal's diagram).
The video clip does say that the CB can be hit at 8-9 o'clock. Hall's cue is elevated as the CB is so close to the rail. He's clearly shooting downwards at 8 o'clock to get that draw effect.
I'll have to try it out later today!
> A day or so after the initial post,I went and experimented with this shot. I figured something was fishy about the diagram within 10 minutes or so. From the position in the first post,I shot it maybe 30 times,and almost always got it to take roughly the same path as Buddy's did,but had somewhat of a problem getting it that long,I scratched about 8 times in that corner down there. I really thought the idea was to come up really short,and found that with my stroke,the only way to reliably come up as short as the diagram indicates was to use about a tip of RIGHT,and a BUNCH of draw. As far as Buddy's execution of this shot,if you watch the overhead shot of the actual collision,it does in fact have just a touch of draw on it. That also looks like a nice,fast table too,and it looks like he's playing with a plain ebony Cog. Tommy D.
Hal said:
There are two ways to play this shot;
1. with middle left
To practice it try bringing the CB along the same line but much closer to the OB. Once you get the idea, they go back to the original spot and try it. It is a stroke shot. You need the CB to deflect away from the OB after contact as high up the rail as you can (3"). It is a stroke shot.
2. and the other with low left
as if you were drawing the ball. Again a full stroke is needed - not hard, just good follow through. You can even bring the CB back on even a much higher line.
As drawn, if you hit this with absolutely no draw, then you have to hit it pretty firmly to make sure there isn't any follow. Not easy. It should be shot with low, but it doesn't have to be drawing to make the pattern.Hal said:
IMO, it should be in your bag. Try a little draw, but make sure you have that outside english. Pay attention to where to object ball hits the pocket. A little difference in cut makes a huge difference in cue ball path.
With low left, and Simonis cloth, scratching in the lower left pocket is a hazard.
Fred
