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Powdertrack

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I have acquired 3 piece slate for a 7' Connelly table, 1 1/4" in thickness. I am in design mode and having way too much fun with Sketchup. I am to the point where I am laying out rails and pockets and am finding myself in a dilemma. Do I build the pockets as Connelly would have or should I do something different? I am leaning toward something different. Connelly uses 143 and 101-2 (had a hard time measuring the side angle on the table I was inspecting) pocket angles with 5" corner width and 5 1/2" side. Those widths seem generous and am leaning toward 4 1/2" and 5" respectfully with pocket angles of 141 and 102 degrees. I am still unsure. I will be starting on the frame and base sometime in the next few weeks so I have time before I need to decide on the rails.

That is where you all come in. What are your suggestions for pocket dimensions, angles and types of cushions. And please give your reasons.

If it helps, this table will be used primarily by me for practice purposes. Most of my competitive play is on Valley bar boxes. Also, on this slate, a 4 1/2" corner mouth would give me a shelf of 1 7/16".

Thank you in advance.
 
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I suggest' corner pocket--> angle of 141 degrees with a 15 degree down angle, with a 4 7/16" point to point opening...... Side pocket angle-->102 degrees with a 15 degree down angle, with a 5 1/16" point to point opening.... It the angle of the wood that the cushion attaches to that is just as important,
I have cushions and facings if you are looking to buy some new..I have some lightly used cushions as well " used for a week"....
I will post more later...phone battery running out of juice..
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Rob.M
 
dontlitethat said:
I suggest' corner pocket--> angle of 141 degrees with a 15 degree down angle, with a 4 7/16" point to point opening...... Side pocket angle-->102 degrees with a 15 degree down angle, with a 5 1/16" point to point opening.... It the angle of the wood that the cushion attaches to that is just as important,
I have cushions and facings if you are looking to buy some new..I have some lightly used cushions as well " used for a week"....
I will post more later...phone battery running out of juice..
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Rob.M
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Thanks greatly for the input.
What are your reasons for suggesting 4 7/16 and 5 1/16?

I was planning to build my own subrails. So I can rip them to any angle. Attached is the template I was planning on using. Is this accurate or should I be using something else?

subRailSpec.jpg

Thanks for the help. I need all the information I can get.
 
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what do you plan on cutting the angle where the cushion attaches with?
-what profile cushions do you plan on using? k-55 or k-66?
Rob.M
 
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Powdertrack said:
Thanks greatly for the input.
What are your reasons for suggesting 4 7/16 and 5 1/16?

I was planning to build my own subrails. So I can rip them to any angle. Attached is the template I was planning on using. Is this accurate or should I be using something else?

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Thanks for the help. I need all the information I can get.
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This template is setup for a k66 cushion. And a 5" rail. You can buy these subrails from adamswoodproducts. Fyi
 
I haven't decided between k55 or k66 yet, was hoping to get opinions on that. I will be using a table saw to profile the subrails.
 
Powdertrack said:
Awesome info! Thanks!

Now can anyone give me some pros and cons on whether to use K55 or K66?
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One works as well as the other IMO so pick a profile to build your rails around.
In Artemis, considered by many to be the best to use in terms of consistency and durability, there is a significant price difference between the profiles with the K66 (Pool 66) style being the less expensive. If you go K55 then the black cushions Diamond uses work well. Either one won't bust your wallet.
 
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Dartman said:
One works as well as the other IMO so pick a profile to build your rails around.
In Artemis, considered by many to be the best to use in terms of consistency and durability, there is a significant price difference between the profiles with the K66 (Pool 66) style being the less expensive. If you go K55 then the black cushions Diamond uses work well. Either one won't bust your wallet.
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Thanks so much. I appreciate the help.
 
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Geez' go easy! I usually don't sell supplies that I don't have on hand personally...
The guy posted price, name and number for his business...regardless of when it was posted....GRUMPY!
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Rob.M
 
Rob, what he's getting at is that you guys have a supplier (Billiard Wholesalers) right there in your back yard. Knowing that, it did seem about as productive as posting a link to an eBay store listing from 4 years ago. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think in today's economy it probably surprised Rick that you wouldn't refer business to someone local to yourself to help protect your own. Not taking sides, just saying that's my take on things (In a little less grumpy tone) :D
 
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How many post have you seen from BW pushing there products/supplies on this site? I have seen many post of others referring people to there site...if they are after sales from here than I'm sure they would post info for them selfs...but at the same time they probably think most of us are full of chit'
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I'm sure they could go down the list of mechanics here and confirm that most of us already have accounts with them..
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dontlitethat said:
How many post have you seen from BW pushing there products/supplies on this site? I have seen many post of others referring people to there site...if they are after sales from here than I'm sure they would post info for them selfs...but at the same time they probably think most of us are full of chit'
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I'm sure they could go down the list of mechanics here and confirm that most of us already have accounts with them..
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I didn't used to have an account with them, and was happy to follow the recommendations of several respected forum members. If you too have an account with them and are happy with their service, pricing, selection, etc, that would be one to throw out there. With all of the different suppliers out there selling pretty much all the same stuff for close to the same pricing, I do look to other peoples' experiences with these companies/individuals, so I appreciate any input you guys can give.

Considering you didn't mention them, and since I just recently established an account with them, is there something you're unhappy with BW about? PM me if you don't want to put it out on the forum for all to see.
 
dontlitethat said:
Geez' go easy! I usually don't sell supplies that I don't have on hand personally...
The guy posted price, name and number for his business...regardless of when it was posted....GRUMPY!
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Rob.M
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You missed the whole point.
Who is this guy with ONE post from 4 years ago? Can you vouch for him or his (so-called) business?
How many CONTRIBUTING forum members do you know that sell Artemis?
You're going to make a referral to someone UNKNOWN instead of a respected forum member? :confused:
 
dontlitethat said:
How many post have you seen from BW pushing there products/supplies on this site? I have seen many post of others referring people to there site...
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They don't post on AZ or need to. Now why do you think members make referrals to BW?
Could it be the excellent customer service, wide product selection, good pricing and fast shipping?
In your case there is no shipping since they are local to you.
If I was BW I couldn't ask for any better advertising then referrals from satisfied customers.

But this isn't about BW. Since you were so disposed to help the OP with an Artemis source
I just don't get how you refer him to a complete unknown especially since you
have access to the product locally.
 
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Club Billiards said:
I didn't used to have an account with them, and was happy to follow the recommendations of several respected forum members. If you too have an account with them and are happy with their service, pricing, selection, etc, that would be one to throw out there. With all of the different suppliers out there selling pretty much all the same stuff for close to the same pricing, I do look to other peoples' experiences with these companies/individuals, so I appreciate any input you guys can give.

Considering you didn't mention them, and since I just recently established an account with them, is there something you're unhappy with BW about? PM me if you don't want to put it out on the forum for all to see.
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There supplies are great' they have been in the business for many years' just figured they would join the forum with the rest of the best'
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