Bullseye Billiards: shot 40 help?

I tried the shot several times. I could only get it to work with a slightly below center hit. Follow and center ball did not work in the slightest. I'm just an average player, but I think that was an error in the book. Note, none of the shots had any side spin.

Here are my attempts on video.

https://youtu.be/lXlNa-XcZVc
 
iusedtoberich said:
I tried the shot several times. I could only get it to work with a slightly below center hit. Follow and center ball did not work in the slightest. I'm just an average player, but I think that was an error in the book. Note, none of the shots had any side spin.

Here are my attempts on video.

https://youtu.be/lXlNa-XcZVc
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Thanks Nick! That closely follows the results I was getting with this shot. No matter how much top I put on it, I could not get the intended results without dramatically altering the shot as diagrammed.
 
pocket said:
Thanks Nick! That closely follows the results I was getting with this shot. No matter how much top I put on it, I could not get the intended results without dramatically altering the shot as diagrammed.
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Have you tried using a bit of high right?
 
philly said:
Have you tried using a bit of high right?
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No Philly, I didn't sorry. I will try it tonight maybe. I was trying to get the shot to work as diagrammed. I did get it to follow the path but only by using low.

Wouldn't right cause the ball to go three or four rails to the position? The diagram wants you to accomplish this shot short rail to short rail. High right would go short, long, short and maybe long again I would think?
 
pocket said:
No Philly, I didn't sorry. I will try it tonight maybe. I was trying to get the shot to work as diagrammed. I did get it to follow the path but only by using low.

Wouldn't right cause the ball to go three or four rails to the position? The diagram wants you to accomplish this shot short rail to short rail. High right would go short, long, short and maybe long again I would think?
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After hitting the object ball the high right will lessen the deflection off the object ball and straighten your path out as shown in the diagram. High will get the ball moving speed wise and because the CB wants to go left off the object ball, the right hand English will give it less angle causing the CB to straighten out. I use it all of the time when I do not want to go around the table. Just using high, or follow, will cause the CB to head to the left rail. Well, that's the way I see it. Works for me. As a matter of fact a well struck cue ball with extreme right will hit the back rail and turn right. It is a feel shot. Then again I am a feel player.
 
pocket said:
Thanks Nick! That closely follows the results I was getting with this shot. No matter how much top I put on it, I could not get the intended results without dramatically altering the shot as diagrammed.
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You're welcome:)

philly said:
Have you tried using a bit of high right?
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philly said:
After hitting the object ball the high right will lessen the deflection off the object ball and straighten your path out as shown in the diagram. High will get the ball moving speed wise and because the CB wants to go left off the object ball, the right hand English will give it less angle causing the CB to straighten out. I use it all of the time when I do not want to go around the table. Just using high, or follow, will cause the CB to head to the left rail. Well, that's the way I see it. Works for me. As a matter of fact a well struck cue ball with extreme right will hit the back rail and turn right. It is a feel shot. Then again I am a feel player.
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Huh? High right to go the one rail path on this shot???? This shot is a pretty full hit. The CB bends forward due to the fullness of hit when hit high. You can see it curve quite a bit on my video on the first 2 or 3 shots where I just used center high.
 
Try it. Doesn't look like a very full hit to me. Am at work and cannot watch video. Blocked. As a matter of fact, extreme right would take the CB towards the lower right pocket.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Here is high right. I just tried it. Not even close:) It does work for a 2 rail path... but that is not the object of this shot...

https://youtu.be/kVG80wsT52o
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Thanks. I'll watch it at home. I will try it at the poolroom tonight. Sorry doesn't look too tough from the diagram. Can't imagine there is that much deflection when looking at the diagram. Not hitting much object ball.
 
Unless the rails are super springy, I wouldn't expect the ball to follow the path in the diagram. It's possible you could do it with high and a touch of left, but at that speed the cueball is going to want to bend after contacting the first cushion, forcing it away from the grey line. If I were just going for the target, I would shoot it two rails with inside every time, but I realize you are just trying to get a feel for shot as it is diagrammed.

Aaron
 
iusedtoberich said:
Here is high right. I just tried it. Not even close:) It does work for a 2 rail path... but that is not the object of this shot...

https://youtu.be/kVG80wsT52o
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Yeah high right wont work lol. The cueball was killing off the rail in your first video which means you either have to let up on the gas or use a tad of outside. For the shot though rolling medium speed cueball should work. On older cloth this position might be attainable at the speed you shot in the first video.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I tried the shot several times. I could only get it to work with a slightly below center hit. Follow and center ball did not work in the slightest. I'm just an average player, but I think that was an error in the book. Note, none of the shots had any side spin.

Here are my attempts on video.

https://youtu.be/lXlNa-XcZVc
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Just watched your video. You are using EXTREME right. I will try it tonight. You'll have to take my word for how it turns out as I do not have the video set up that you have. Thanks
 
philly said:
Just watched your video. You are using EXTREME right. I will try it tonight. You'll have to take my word for how it turns out as I do not have the video set up that you have. Thanks
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I'll take your word:) But if you set up the 2 balls on the diamonds exactly as diagrammed by the app creator, and make the CB go the intended path with high and right, I'll eat my hat:)
 
iusedtoberich said:
I'll take your word:) But if you set up the 2 balls on the diamonds exactly as diagrammed by the app creator, and make the CB go the intended path with high and right, I'll eat my hat:)
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Tried it last night and it worked for me. Took me 4 tries. You were hitting the CB very very hard in your videos. The first two times I also use too much right and the CB took the same path as yours but less exaggerated because I did not fire it in. The third time I hit it too softly using high and very little right. The fourth time it worked perfectly, very little right. english. 9 foot table Gold Crown with Simonis 860. It is actually a soft shot because you are actually hitting not much of the object ball hence your extreme turn to the right off the back rail. Try it again, softer. It is a touch shot. Can't imagine how you could come close with any draw. At least I don't have that shot in my repertoire.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I'll take your word:) But if you set up the 2 balls on the diamonds exactly as diagrammed by the app creator, and make the CB go the intended path with high and right, I'll eat my hat:)
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My apologies, iusedtoberich. I just looked at the diagram and I set it up wrong. Had the CB right but had the object ball two diamonds in and one full diamond off the back rail, which is actually tougher. I'll try it again. From your video you look 30 years younger than I. I'll see if I can get someone to video my attempts. But try it again hitting it softer.
 
philly said:
Just watched your video. You are using EXTREME right.
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I don't think so. The CB comes off the foot rail heading straight downtable before curving to the right. That means there was little or no sidespin on the CB, and it went to the right because of follow. This is the same result I get with follow

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I don't think so. The CB comes off the foot rail heading straight downtable before curving to the right. That means there was little or no sidespin on the CB, and it went to the right because of follow. This is the same result I get with follow

pj
chgo
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Try hitting it softly with follow and just a small amount of right. It finally worked for me on less of a cut on the OB as I set the OB up 2 diamonds (should be one diamond) over from the side rail and one full diamond (diagram is 1/2 diamond) from the top rail, which is a tougher shot.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I don't think so. The CB comes off the foot rail heading straight downtable before curving to the right. That means there was little or no sidespin on the CB, and it went to the right because of follow. This is the same result I get with follow

pj
chgo
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I think Philly was talking about my second video, where I did intentionally use high right. But he quoted the post with my first video, where all the shots were on the vertical centerline of the cue.
 
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