Bunny hopping

[alphadog]

left myself this almost straight in break ball. Thought I can hop whitey onto the stack and get a break. Drilled the 7 whitey skipped off the top of the stack and to end rail and back up table 3 diamonds. Two,yeah 2,frkn balls came out of the stack. One was kissed back into the stack. The other ended up under the stack- no reward.

I know if this was a match this wouldn't be considered a prudent play.

I am going to start another thread on playing safe from this position.

 

[Bob Jewett]

The right shot is probably to stun into the 14 but not at max speed. If you don't get a shot, you will still have control.

 

[alphadog]

Bob , of course you are correct. Years ago I read about hopping whitey into the stack but this is the first time I ever tried it. Might also be the only time I try it.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Bob , of course you are correct. Years ago I read about hopping whitey into the stack but this is the first time I ever tried it. Might also be the only time I try it.

There are situations where it is the right shot. If you are nearly straight -- like the shot you had -- but the object ball is back by the head spot, you can jump up and forward and land in the middle of the rack. The shot used to be easier when the cloth was thicker but it can still be done. There is some danger of sending the object ball over the pocket if you hit too hard.

 

[Straightpool_99]

View attachment 631859left myself this almost straight in break ball. Thought I can hop whitey onto the stack and get a break. Drilled the 7 whitey skipped off the top of the stack and to end rail and back up table 3 diamonds. Two,yeah 2,frkn balls came out of the stack. One was kissed back into the stack. The other ended up under the stack- no reward.

I know if this was a match this wouldn't be considered a prudent play.

I am going to start another thread on playing safe from this position.

I wouldn't dismiss a shot based on one try. Try it again, but experiment with elevation and speed. If you do it right it should work a good percentage of times. Done right the cue ball will hop into the side of the stack, slide down and give you a shot at one or two balls that have been knocked down below the stack. Then rebreak the stack. If you insist on safing, the correct safety is to pocket the 7 and freeze the cue ball to the stack, knocking out 2 balls. It's been discussed many times.

 

[alphadog]

I wouldn't dismiss a shot based on one try. Try it again, but experiment with elevation and speed. If you do it right it should work a good percentage of times. Done right the cue ball will hop into the side of the stack, slide down and give you a shot at one or two balls that have been knocked down below the stack. Then rebreak the stack. If you insist on safing, the correct safety is to pocket the 7 and freeze the cue ball to the stack, knocking out 2 balls. It's been discussed many times.

So if I was going to play safe I would pocket the 7 and try to draw back a few inches. From there I would shoot into 1 of the top 2 balls trying to leave whitey on top of the stack?

Is there a better option?

 

[Straightpool_99]

So if I was going to play safe I would pocket the 7 and try to draw back a few inches. From there I would shoot into 1 of the top 2 balls trying to leave whitey on top of the stack?

Is there a better option?

Yes, there is a better option. You stop on the 7 or stun forward a little bit. Then hit the 13 full. You posted the same picture in a different thread, the shot was explained there. Just try it.

Also the jump shot is a lot better when the object ball is close to the stack. You're a little bit too far away.

 

[Cameron Smith]

Yes, there is a better option. You stop on the 7 or stun forward a little bit. Then hit the 13 full. You posted the same picture in a different thread, the shot was explained there. Just try it.

Also the jump shot is a lot better when the object ball is close to the stack. You're a little bit too far away.

Danny D always says this is as good as a break shot. I think that’s an overstatement but it’s a strong safety.

 

[Straightpool_99]

Danny D always says this is as good as a break shot. I think that’s an overstatement but it’s a strong safety.

It depends on who you are playing and on your own skill as well. If you're bad, the opponent could just leave you up table after the safe, scraping the stack. If he's good at kicking he might kick one of the balls in, though it's tough if you got him frozen. Your opponent could also take three fouls. In some cases he can make a legal safe with a masse. If I had to put a value on the shot, I'd say on average it may be worth 20 balls or less in high level play. That is if we start from the beginning of the match with the maximum ball running potential. This safe will usually not win you the game. It may give you some points, maybe make your opponent re-break and THEN give you a shot. Most of the time though, it's just a way not to lose from getting too straight or whatever. You're keeping some pressure on the opponent, too.

 

[alphadog]

It depends on who you are playing and on your own skill as well. If you're bad, the opponent could just leave you up table after the safe, scraping the stack. If he's good at kicking he might kick one of the balls in, though it's tough if you got him frozen. Your opponent could also take three fouls. In some cases he can make a legal safe with a masse. If I had to put a value on the shot, I'd say on average it may be worth 20 balls or less in high level play. That is if we start from the beginning of the match with the maximum ball running potential. This safe will usually not win you the game. It may give you some points, maybe make your opponent re-break and THEN give you a shot. Most of the time though, it's just a way not to lose from getting too straight or whatever. You're keeping some pressure on the opponent, too.

Forgot about this from the other thread. I was surprised to see a reply to this older thread.