C players to beginners

Well to the few of you in recent post who have decided to chime in hang tight, hopefully some of these guys will fade away and allow a thread that they have nothing to do with just be. I know its a long shot but i felt the same way making the thread in the first place and have hope. Even if it comes down to just picking the few of us out and doing some kind of group chat or private setting even if it's not here.
If you truly would like a space for fellow players like yourself to converse then I beg you to stick around, you don't have to comment further or any of that stuff perhaps just get the email notification and start from about number 20 or so (lol).
And, if I fail due to the determination of some then I'm sorry that this place has come to this and wish you all the best with your progress this year.
 
It's an easy question I have but not an easy answer to solve it, I don't think. For me it's Consistency of play. For an example, Monday night I wad playing a lower skilled player. I Should have beaten him without any trouble. I was up 3-0 then for 'some reason' I started to make Dumb mistakes. I ended-up losing my match. Extremely frustrating to say the least. The 3 prior weeks is played even or higher skilled players and won all 3 matches. Two of them I went undefeated in sweeps. I'm currently ranked a 4 in or APA league but consider myself more of a 4.5-5 skilled player. So, what drills or other things do I need to work on for more consistency?

Thanks,
Dave...


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I recommend drills that build pressure. Any drill in which you start over if you fail is great. Then as you start getting to the final balls, you really feel like you're under pressure, and you are literally practicing not digging it.

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You nailed it, pocket.
 

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I would like to see an entire forum section just for beginners. I often have questions, but don't write a thread for fear of ridicule or redundancy.

In this way, the more advanced players have the choice of entering the section and giving some help to the less skilled players. It eliminates most of the so called comedians, and "not this again" comments. :boring:

It seems like it would be really easy to do this, but having suggested it at least a half a dozen times, it apparently falls on deaf ears... :withstupid:

We all excel at different things, and I think we all too soon forget what it was like to be a humble beginner.

This is actually a great idea! Since apa is the primary leagues of amateur pool make a forum section for 6&under handicaps!
 
I would like to see an entire forum section just for beginners. I often have questions, but don't write a thread for fear of ridicule or redundancy.

In this way, the more advanced players have the choice of entering the section and giving some help to the less skilled players. It eliminates most of the so called comedians, and "not this again" comments. :boring:

It seems like it would be really easy to do this, but having suggested it at least a half a dozen times, it apparently falls on deaf ears... :withstupid:

We all excel at different things, and I think we all too soon forget what it was like to be a humble beginner.

So you want something like "Ask the Instructor" section. Seems we already have one of those.
 
I think the op's heart is in the rich place concerning this thread but perhaps he went about it the wrong way. I have learned a lot from this forum but know there is a lot more to learn. I myself feel like another poster stated....hesitant to ask questions also for the same reasons he stated.

My phone will not let mw multiquote for some reason but this is directed at the 2 apa 5's who posted. Some one mentioned earlier that perhaps the thread about leagues may be more suitable for what the op intended this thread to be. I believe the poster was referring to my thread titled...how are yall doing in league.

It's mostly about whether you won or lost as an individual or how your team is faring. That thread may be ideal to expand to asking questions among each other also. It's for all league players and so far there has been no ....my league is better than your league bs and serious players are to stay out of it so you will not hear ...just get up and gamble if you wanna improve your game.

I am also an apa 5 and like both of you ...i am in consistent as heck.

I am one who does not dwell on losses much but i so tend to reflect back on why I shot great one night and poor the next. In most cases I always come to the same conclusion....focus..or lack of it during a match.

I am going to start asking questions or giving my thoughts in that thread ...much like what this thread is intended for. You guys are welcome to chime in on that thread anytime and I am going to give you an example below of how my posts in that thread are going to go.

I played 9 ball tonight vs a 4. I won 38-31 in a 38-31 race in 16 innings. My break was ok but still needs improvement. This was on a valley and any advice you can give is welcome.

I made a drastic change tonight...for me. I switched cues from one with a standard maple shaft to a McDermott with a g core shaft. I never play with a ld shaft during league before . I have only shot a few racks in practice with it.

Knowing that this cue played entirely different than my daily player I had to stay focused and treat every shot like it was the mow important shot I have ever made.

I knew I had been getting lazy in my psr which was one reason for my inconsistency and forcing myself to stay focused shooting with an unfamiliar shaft helped my game tonight. Of course I missed a few shots I probably would have made with my daily player but my overall game was better tonight leading to a 16-4 score.

Now I his have to force my self to stay that focused all the time.

Hope to see you guys in that thread and maybe we all give each other advice to improve our game.
 
How long should it take a person to learn to play consistent position pool? How long do you think it will take an sl4 to get over a 700 fargo rating?
 
Kevin I'm sure you understand that there is no one answer to that question or the result you stated would be more common, that would be like asking the same question in basket ball, football or any other sport and the answer is the same.
It all depends on the individual, the time they put in, the quality of their training/trainer, natural ability for the sport in question and a few other, so i'll say the same thing i tell people that ask about dieting. Getting to a point of greatness or let's just say great improvement is a marathon not a sprint and if you view it that way you may actually surprise yourself with the time frame in which you improved.
Get good at being confident and work on exercises that allow you to develop a "feel" for the hit and you'll find that position improves right along with it.
Best of luck buddy
 
Years ago, when I first started playing and actually joined a bar league, I borrowed my first good cue that I got off Craigslist (a nice simple early 90's Schon--I still have it) to another leaguer one night and suddenly the balance and weight of my cue felt completely off. Later I found out that the idiot wiped a booger on my shaft.

What's the best way to get that off without damaging the shaft in your opinion?

Is that what you needed to make your day? I feel sorry for you if that's the case and hope you find the help you need.
To answer your question though try treating it like this thread leave it alone and you soon find that it's just suddenly not there anymore, kind of like the nose it's still there but you just don't notice it until you actually go looking for it.

Oh and thanks for helping to keep the quality of the forum down just a bit
 
Ok, here's a question, at home I have a 9' Gandy that's been modified

to Diamond table specs. I play decent on it and do drills here and there. I go to

the place where I play on tournament night on 8' tables with buckets for

pockets and I play like $hit. In someone's opinion, what could it be? The

fact that I don't subject myself to enough play outside my home? Over-

thinking? Or? I don't know what the hell it is but it runs me nuts! I play as a

7 at my local room, I did forget to mention that. I can run a rack here and there

at home but I never have at my local room

Maybe this isn't the question anyone was looking for but it's the one that's always

on my mind after I leave the hall and for the next 3 days lol
 
Kevin I'm sure you understand that there is no one answer to that question or the result you stated would be more common, that would be like asking the same question in basket ball, football or any other sport and the answer is the same.
It all depends on the individual, the time they put in, the quality of their training/trainer, natural ability for the sport in question and a few other, so i'll say the same thing i tell people that ask about dieting. Getting to a point of greatness or let's just say great improvement is a marathon not a sprint and if you view it that way you may actually surprise yourself with the time frame in which you improved.
Get good at being confident and work on exercises that allow you to develop a "feel" for the hit and you'll find that position improves right along with it.
Best of luck buddy

Thanks that is good advice, I was not looking for specifics really. I know it is a marathon and different for everyone. I also know I will only get out of it what I put into it as well. I do think your correct about the quality of the practice and the regularity of it being huge in the determination of how long to play position pool It could be anywhere from a few months to a few years. I also think that the Million balls equation is more for a minimum requirement to be a high end player I could be wrong as there are so many factors. Im not sure if thinking that daily practice of 35 racks worth of drilling plus a few "games" or warm up balls on a daily basis will even be enough to reach my personal goals as a player within the next year or two. Only time will tell. I am over 50 though so I guess according to a previous post even that level of practice is not considered taking pool seriously by some people. I think spending 35 plus hours on a table per week on top of working 40 per week at a job is taking it very seriously myself.
 
Ok, here's a question, at home I have a 9' Gandy that's been modified

to Diamond table specs. I play decent on it and do drills here and there. I go to

the place where I play on tournament night on 8' tables with buckets for

pockets and I play like $hit. In someone's opinion, what could it be? The

fact that I don't subject myself to enough play outside my home? Over-

thinking? Or? I don't know what the hell it is but it runs me nuts! I play as a

7 at my local room, I did forget to mention that. I can run a rack here and there

at home but I never have at my local room

Maybe this isn't the question anyone was looking for but it's the one that's always

on my mind after I leave the hall and for the next 3 days lol

I think many people's nerves bite em in the arse when it comes to playing in a public, I see it often on league night. Been there before myself.

There's also...is it a coin op table w a brick for a cb? Cloth, ball, cushion conditions.
 
Kevin, depending on the things i mentioned in my first reply it really does depend on a lot of factor but i'll give you my personal opinion and experience.

Opinion: About the million ball statement well it's true and false. See one of the major things that separate us from the pros or even just that better player is confidence and experience, If i did something a thousand times will I not be more experienced at this that those who've done it just twice or so? Let say high diving or something with a bit of fear in you first try, at first it's hard but after your first jump you have less fear then before you hit double digits they can't hold you back, now you could be doing it wrong all the way up to 100 times but that does not affect your ability to just get up there and leap. So yes hitting a million balls will give you confidence and maybe even turn you into a shot maker but you total understanding for the shot may not be there, also we never see the same shot twice similar yes but not the same so while you may be able to make that ball with all the confidence in the world that gets overridden by your new found of not knowing how to get "there".

Experience: I do not get to hit balls any where near what i would like and this is coming from a person who can practice for 6 hours without blinking an eye. What i have come to learn after suffering the slumps time and time again because of this fact is that i am able to pick up my game and sometimes even gain a bit more knowledge based on my approach and "what" i choose to practice when i do get the time. This changes me in a way that's hard to explain when i am getting some table time, night and day change in my game can be seen. Right now because of a lack of work i have been able to get to the table a few times a week and put some serious quality time in and have been working and a flaw in my pre stroking that suddenly came about over the past year, I was able to not only tame that but gain a whole new confidence on shots that was bothering me because of my lack of play and bad habits that developed as a result.

So i say step back, take some times off (few days, a week) sit down and really figure out what is most important for you to work on like you don't need to spend time working on banks or kicks when you can't dead stop a CB at different distances or play a shot CB movement stun shot, spend some time getting to know "you" what you can and can't do and possibly the most important thing i learned from my mentor that i was a bit unaware of is being totally honest with your ability, know exactly where you stand and don't rate yourself because you can remember playing great pool that one time it is not your natural level and thus should not be expected to be seen all the time. Knowing this and accepting it will now allow you to not feel bad (as bad) about your mistakes or misses yes we can all run the rack in our heads but be honest who do you think you are thinking you can play position like that or play to get to "here" when you can hardly even execute this somewhat basic shot right here (not meaning you specifically). Accept you current ability and say "hey, you know what I under hit that ball trying to get perfect on this and snookered myself but i was asking for a bit much cause that's not within my ability to do that on demand (the pros are not 10/10) so i'll hit the table tomorrow and work on that skill set that allows me to bring my percentage up".

So what I'm saying is don't spend a bunch of time on a bunch of things get better and one and that one makes you understand another so when you get better and the other it in turn opens up you knowledge to another and the chain reaction begins and next thing you know you're not only a bit more rounded but more knowledgeable and as you play more and see that shot more times and have to play position for about that shot a few more times you begin to truly become more wiser about it which brings us back to the million balls and the experience it brings.
 
Ok, here's a question, at home I have a 9' Gandy that's been modified

to Diamond table specs. I play decent on it and do drills here and there. I go to

the place where I play on tournament night on 8' tables with buckets for

pockets and I play like $hit. In someone's opinion, what could it be? The

fact that I don't subject myself to enough play outside my home? Over-

thinking? Or? I don't know what the hell it is but it runs me nuts! I play as a

7 at my local room, I did forget to mention that. I can run a rack here and there

at home but I never have at my local room

Maybe this isn't the question anyone was looking for but it's the one that's always

on my mind after I leave the hall and for the next 3 days lol

I think you already know the answer to this question buddy but just need to hear it from the out side and possibly from some peers which was the intension of the thread, hopefully if my dream is fulfilled some of the ones it's intended for will chime in.
But here's my go. Home Field Advantage baby, you mentioned it in your post so like i said you know the answers, at home you're in your comfort zone and untouchable then there's no pressure there so your mind is free and there's no consequences for you misses or mistakes, that brings us to the other part competition don't underestimate it, yeah you might feel good about your odds against player X but the first time you make a mistake it will haunt you for the rest of the night because we are not on that level, so when the next time comes up where you have to dip, dodge, dive, the CB you'll remember that you missed position last time and what if it happens again should i under hit it or over hit it a bit and the proverbial snow ball effects starts because of that thing i mentioned to Kevin "experience".

I mentioned there about being honest with yourself and truly accepting your ability and not taking the few times that you were in rear form (there's a reason why it's called that) and then basing our general ability on it, worst mistake ever. It wasn't until i was told this and had to reassess myself that my mind was cleared a bit. I was constantly told about "how good I was" and "you're hiding your level, you should be a X" that got into my head and made be feel better than i actually was and you know what i'm talking about too. I'm sure you have that teammate or bystander who've seen you hitting balls and asked "are you a pro?" or perhaps just was like "wow Ron you're really good" and now you were untouchable hell you'd fire at anything that you can see.

Take some time, go to that place and hit some balls just one more day other than the one your'e expected to be there for and get comfortable in the place at least because the competition side of things is somethings that is much harder to develop and varies by person greatly.

Tip: tell you what has helped me in the past, because of the type of shot or drills so to say that i like to do you find that when i'm in a match and may be off my thing just a bit i start to treat ever shot like a drill, i black out every thing that's going on and pretend like I had set the table up just like that by had so i could play this specific shot to get position for "here", and it's worked from time to time keeping in mind what i said earlier about skill level acceptance here i am i have one change cause i don't get to take the shot over and it may not be exactly and perfectly in my repertoire so although i'm going to attempt it (well because i have no choice) should i fail it's not that big of a deal cause "my level" was not such where i can pull stuff like this off on demand.
 
Ok, here's a question, at home I have a 9' Gandy that's been modified

to Diamond table specs. I play decent on it and do drills here and there. I go to

the place where I play on tournament night on 8' tables with buckets for

pockets and I play like $hit. In someone's opinion, what could it be? The

fact that I don't subject myself to enough play outside my home? Over-

thinking? Or? I don't know what the hell it is but it runs me nuts! I play as a

7 at my local room, I did forget to mention that. I can run a rack here and there

at home but I never have at my local room

Maybe this isn't the question anyone was looking for but it's the one that's always

on my mind after I leave the hall and for the next 3 days lol

I know you've seen people miss before but i'm only sharing this so you can see when competition and pressure does, it's like your brain stops working sometimes and we have no clue it's taking place. It the same thing (and this really pisses me off) when if you play on a team or sometimes your buddy is on the side watching you shot and they go "well why'd you hit that like that? (however it is that you hit it) as though you intentionally snookered yourself or miss the shot or scratched in the pocket, I was sure that everything was right until i was the result you stupid ass.
Anyway heres the link, now i'm only referring to the first match shown but hopefully you enjoy more of the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycuPFR06CP4
 
How long should it take a person to learn to play consistent position pool? How long do you think it will take an sl4 to get over a 700 fargo rating?

The answer is 95% never

The other 5% must put in an incredible amount of time and effort in. If they are 10-16 the learning curve will be quicker.

For the rest, start at 10,000 hrs of DEDICATED pratlctice, find a coach or mentor. And be ready to pay for your education.

95% maybe quite optimistic, probably more like 98%
 
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