CA SuperG V.S 5 Min Epoxy on tips.

Newton

Newton

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Well, I did use in the old day's the slow Epoxy where you really had to fixate
the tips over night to get them glued up.
And then came the CA gel glues which I have been using for a long time now.

However, I did a job for a customer who wanted one of those funky white
jump tips (forgot the name) on his J&B cue and I used the 5 min Epoxy and
did let i cure over night (I was in no rush).

The job went well, looked OK and the shaft has been sent back to the customer
and I'm just curious if I gambled on the wrong horse here? Is CA glues ALWAY
better then Epoxy or is it so that you could get some more strength to things
taking you're time using my method ?

Any experiences or views on this ?

Regards
Kent
 
Newton said:
Well, I did use in the old day's the slow Epoxy where you really had to fixate
the tips over night to get them glued up.
And then came the CA gel glues which I have been using for a long time now.

However, I did a job for a customer who wanted one of those funky white
jump tips (forgot the name) on his J&B cue and I used the 5 min Epoxy and
did let i cure over night (I was in no rush).

The job went well, looked OK and the shaft has been sent back to the customer
and I'm just curious if I gambled on the wrong horse here? Is CA glues ALWAY
better then Epoxy or is it so that you could get some more strength to things
taking you're time using my method ?

Any experiences or views on this ?

Regards
Kent
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I have tried 5-min epoxies in the past with no success. I may have used it incorrectly though as I clamped the tip under pressure which may have caused glue starvation. I am happy with my present usage of super glue gels so I have no reason to experiment further with the 5-min epoxies to see if that was the problem or not. At present when I install a phenolic j/b tip I use JB Weld and let it sit overnight. If I don't have the time to wait I put in a #6 X 32 all thread stud and drill and tap the tip and then glue all together with JB Weld, trim and shape tip and send them on their way. The stud holds all in place until the JB has set up.

Dick
 
I think a shaft will break in two before JB Weld will fail. I've seen guys use it on cast aluminum primary cases on a Harley among other things with excellent results.
 
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Newton said:
Well, I did use in the old day's the slow Epoxy where you really had to fixate
the tips over night to get them glued up.
And then came the CA gel glues which I have been using for a long time now.

However, I did a job for a customer who wanted one of those funky white
jump tips (forgot the name) on his J&B cue and I used the 5 min Epoxy and
did let i cure over night (I was in no rush).

The job went well, looked OK and the shaft has been sent back to the customer
and I'm just curious if I gambled on the wrong horse here? Is CA glues ALWAY
better then Epoxy or is it so that you could get some more strength to things
taking you're time using my method ?

Any experiences or views on this ?

Regards
Kent
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...........funky white
jump tips (forgot the name)
white diamond ???
i use loctite gel on them, never a problem
never tried epoxy though
 
Hmm. It might be that I gambled on the wrong horse then...:confused:
The tip is called "Picone" and it was mentioned that the tip could be glued
with Epoxy in the manual. I guess I'll stick to my Loctite 454 then for the future.
I have vary rarely had any problems with this glue but since the user had tried
with super glue earlier and the tip did fly off, I thought I should try something
different..

The bad thing is that the shaft had to be shipped 1500Km to my friend, so it
would be a mail exercise if it falls off again.

I guess I have to wait and see what the result would be when he has tried it.


Thanks for the feedback.

Kent
 
Glueing Tips

Newton said:
Hmm. It might be that I gambled on the wrong horse then...:confused:
The tip is called "Picone" and it was mentioned that the tip could be glued
with Epoxy in the manual. I guess I'll stick to my Loctite 454 then for the future.

Kent
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I think the tip is a White Diamond and Picone is the guy who makes them. I have used quite a few of them and always used 3M SuperGlue Gel on all tips
without A single problem (that I know of). I lap the back of the tip flat and then cut lines with a razor knife in a criss-cross pattern--about 6 or 7 in each direction and blow out with air. Make sure the shaft end is clean and square and apply a little glue to that surface. Wait about 5 seconds and then apply the glue to the tip and stick to the shaft with a twisting motion. Clamp with your tailstock or whatever method you use to clamp tips with.
I wait at least one hour before cutting the tip down to size.
 
rhncue said:
I have tried 5-min epoxies in the past with no success. I may have used it incorrectly though as I clamped the tip under pressure which may have caused glue starvation. I am happy with my present usage of super glue gels so I have no reason to experiment further with the 5-min epoxies to see if that was the problem or not. At present when I install a phenolic j/b tip I use JB Weld and let it sit overnight. If I don't have the time to wait I put in a #6 X 32 all thread stud and drill and tap the tip and then glue all together with JB Weld, trim and shape tip and send them on their way. The stud holds all in place until the JB has set up.

Dick
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Hello Dick:
Am i getting you right when you say you put a #6 x 32 Stud in the shaft and then drill and tap the tip then screw them together with JB Weld.
How thick is the stud and how thick is the tip?
Ron
 
QMAKER said:
... I lap the back of the tip flat and then cut lines with a razor knife in a criss-cross pattern--about 6 or 7 in each direction and blow out with air.
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This is exactly what I did on the back of the tip when I glued the tip on.
I applied glue on the ferrule side and then "dipped" the tip in the Epoxy and
fixated it with the tailstock and left it over the night.

It seemed very solid when it was done, so - fingers crossed - I hope Nikolais
cue would be alright.

Good to hear that you did the same on the back of the tip. At first I was a little
unsure if this could damage the tip by using the knife to cut some "grip grooves".
I was afraid that the X pattern on the back of the tip could be glued hard but
the breaking of the surface with the knife could cause the second layers to
delaminate. Hence having the first layer sticking but due to the cutting
the second layer could break loose.

I rejected this thought and did as you, and since you have had no problems
I hope for the same outcome :)

Kent
 
Crazy glue and super glue gel is very different. Gel stays plyable and can stand up to inpact of dropping or miscue. Crazy glue dries too hard and gets brittle and will crack.

I also score tip
and Joe picone does make white diamond tips. Nice guy
 
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