Calcutta at the US OPEN

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I know they have not had a calcutta at the open since I beleive 2001 0r 2002... Even thought Barry, Scott Smith, or who ever has not wanted to have it should reconsider.. Why coudn't all of the people who buy people in auctions still have it.. There are respected people in the pool world who could run it.. I say lets have one win it gets down to the final 64 players. What does every one else think....
 
JoeyInCali said:
If they did, they'd be compromising the integrity of the open.
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There's not very much "integrity" left when it comes to the US Open. There's been times when players weren't paid at all and times like last yr where the prize fund was (very quietly) cut by $14,000. I was originally told that it was cut by $11,500 but according to Curly's math, it was $14,000.

curly said:
I checked and the actual payoff was $14,000 less. The 2nd, 3rd, 4th, two 5th's, and two 7th places were payouts were cut. They cut 2nd place by $5,000, 3rd. by $2,500, 4th by $2500, two 5th's by $1500, and two 7th's by $500. At least the first place wasn't cut and was the amount that Barry advertised!
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Knowing that many players are still owed thousands, it turned my stomach to listen to Barry spew his drivel on TAR's live stream at the DCC about adding some enormous amount of money to this years prize fund. What he needs to do is pay all the players that he owes money to. With the current economy, I'm going to go out on a limb and predict the future... The payout is not going to equal the advertised payout this year, again.

Not to mention, when the TD (the guy that runs things, calls fouls, forfeits players, etc) is the guy making the lines... LOL, not so much integrity there.
 
UrackmIcrackm said:
..................With the current economy, I'm going to go out on a limb and predict the future... The payout is not going to equal the advertised payout this year, again.
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As was the case last year - if it's not a full field of 256 the payout is going to be less than the pre-start advertised payout based on 256 players. Looking at their latest list, updated 10/10, it appears there's approx 179 players listed.
 
players dont want to put up 600 bucks even

Dont fault Barry for terrorist acts,hurricanes,and lack of player support for not being able to have a full payout. Just ask Allen Hopkins about how much support he got from the players after advertising a ONE MILLION DOLLAR TOURNAMENT and got 12 players!!!! As the advertistments say a based on a full 256 player field at the open,something that hasn't happened in awhile and dont expect to happen this year either. If you subtract the free entry's from the prize money its a mirricale Barry ever makes a dime off this gig. As a fan Barry is the best but I guess as a player who only thinks about them self he sucks because he had to lower the payouts after 911 and the whole country was shut down, and then the hurricane hits next time and he still manages to rent 2 tempory power plant trucks and puts on the us open and everything runs well, while nobody has power in that area for a 100 miles and houses are burning down while the power co try's to restore power all weekend from power surges but yet the open is up and running and those that attended are having a great time but the fan turn out is like 20% of what it should be and he lost his shirt again. As little money as there is in pool all we have to do is bad mouth a guy who has put his whole life into pool,he could have walked away any time but all he ever wants is to help the industry. For those who have a problem with his running the 9ball open DONT GO.JMO

And....Barry doesnt call fouls ever...Scott Smith and his partner have been handling to tournament for the last 9 years since I have watched. If I remember right the calcutta became a problem when some of the PLAYERS forfeited there matches or just plain old quit in some peoples eyes and the people who bought them raised hell.
 
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If you run a calcutta with the last 64 players they are in the money.. I dont hardley think they are gonna piss a chance at huge money away. Strange things have happened.. Like players staying out all night in huge money sets then forfeiting.. But it usually doesnt happen win the players are already in the money... Besides, the people who risk there money in a calcutta already know the risk thay are taking..




cuedoctor said:
Dont fault Barry for terrorist acts,hurricanes,and lack of player support for not being able to have a full payout. Just ask Allen Hopkins about how much support he got from the players after advertising a ONE MILLION DOLLAR TOURNAMENT and got 12 players!!!! As the advertistments say a based on a full 256 player field at the open,something that hasn't happened in awhile and dont expect to happen this year either. If you subtract the free entry's from the prize money its a mirricale Barry ever makes a dime off this gig. As a fan Barry is the best but I guess as a player who only thinks about them self he sucks because he had to lower the payouts after 911 and the whole country was shut down, and then the hurricane hits next time and he still manages to rent 2 tempory power plant trucks and puts on the us open and everything runs well, while nobody has power in that area for a 100 miles and houses are burning down while the power co try's to restore power all weekend from power surges but yet the open is up and running and those that attended are having a great time but the fan turn out is like 20% of what it should be and he lost his shirt again. As little money as there is in pool all we have to do is bad mouth a guy who has put his whole life into pool,he could have walked away any time but all he ever wants is to help the industry. For those who have a problem with his running the 9ball open DONT GO.JMO

And....Barry doesnt call fouls ever...Scott Smith and his partner have been handling to tournament for the last 9 years since I have watched. If I remember right the calcutta became a problem when some of the PLAYERS forfeited there matches or just plain old quit in some peoples eyes and the people who bought them raised hell.
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cuedoctor said:
Dont fault Barry for terrorist acts,hurricanes,and lack of player support for not being able to have a full payout.

As a fan Barry is the best but I guess as a player who only thinks about them self he sucks because he had to lower the payouts after 911 and the whole country was shut down, and then the hurricane hits next time and he still manages to rent 2 tempory power plant trucks and puts on the us open and everything runs well, while nobody has power in that area for a 100 miles and houses are burning down while the power co try's to restore power all weekend from power surges but yet the open is up and running and those that attended are having a great time but the fan turn out is like 20% of what it should be and he lost his shirt again.
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I don't fault Barry for acts of nature or terrorists. Please explain to me why some players were paid in full and others weren't paid anything. The "right" thing to do would be to take whatever funds were available for payout and split it accordingly through the field. That way all that were due funds, get something instead of some getting all and others getting none.

cuedoctor said:
And....Barry doesnt call fouls ever...Scott Smith and his partner have been handling to tournament for the last 9 years since I have watched. If I remember right the calcutta became a problem when some of the PLAYERS forfeited there matches or just plain old quit in some peoples eyes and the people who bought them raised hell.
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I never said that Barry calls fouls and I also didn't say that Barry makes the lines. I said the "TD" aka tournament director. You might not have a problem with the tournament director, the one calling the shots, making the lines, but I do. In my opinion, that alone diminishes integrity. If the TD stands to take a "hit" if player so & so wins a particular match and he has to make a call that so & so player is shooting at, what do you think is really going through his mind? If so & so makes a good hit, he's out, he wins the match, and I lose a ton of money. If so & so makes a bad hit, the other guy wins and I make a score. And you don't think this scenario hasn't come up in all these yrs? You don't think this affects the "integrity" of the tournament?
 
I assisted Scott as TD in 1998 and 1999, and I was staking Tang Hoa both years. I would not call a hit in his matches, for fear of being cited for favoritism. Tang finished second in 1998, and the total win (with a $4,000 saver) was $16,500 plus we shared second place in the calcutta, worth another $3,000+. Barry paid us entirely in cash that night.
 
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jay helfert said:
I assisted Scott as TD in 1998 and 1999, and I was staking Tang Hoa both years. I would not call a hit in his matches, for fear of being cited for favoritism. Tang finished second in 1998, and the total win (with a $4,000 saver) was $16,500 plus we shared second place in the calcutta, worth another $3,000+. Barry paid us entirely in cash that night.
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That's you and your interest in one player. You did the right thing. If the "book" has lines on multiple matches, do you think that in all these yrs, the book maker hasn't made a call on some of those matches? If he was the only available person at the time to make the call, he couldn't decline to do so without raising eye brows as to why.

In all fairness, the open isn't the only tournament that this happens at but it is the tournament we're currently discussing and the "integrity" or lack of it, that was brought up.
 
UrackmIcrackm said:
I don't fault Barry for acts of nature or terrorists. Please explain to me why some players were paid in full and others weren't paid anything. The "right" thing to do would be to take whatever funds were available for payout and split it accordingly through the field. That way all that were due funds, get something instead of some getting all and others getting none.


I never said that Barry calls fouls and I also didn't say that Barry makes the lines. I said the "TD" aka tournament director. You might not have a problem with the tournament director, the one calling the shots, making the lines, but I do. In my opinion, that alone diminishes integrity. If the TD stands to take a "hit" if player so & so wins a particular match and he has to make a call that so & so player is shooting at, what do you think is really going through his mind? If so & so makes a good hit, he's out, he wins the match, and I lose a ton of money. If so & so makes a bad hit, the other guy wins and I make a score. And you don't think this scenario hasn't come up in all these yrs? You don't think this affects the "integrity" of the tournament?
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I see your point but I have never heard a bad thing about Scott making a bad call in the past. As far as some players not being paid and some were I remember that and wasn't it the hurricane year and barry did make good on that a few months later?Some of those who weren't paid were the bigger names in pool and Barry did pay them what they won later. Rumor was the gate was so bad he was short on funds and paid part of the winnings and told those who didnt get there full winnings what was going on and had to pay later.......not like he wasn't going to pay.These players were like family to him(most understood and trusted barry,a few others stormed out and started the rumor mill) He mis-calculated the gate and when zero people showed up the last 2 days he realized that he had paid the early loser's all there money and didn't have enough for those finishing on the last 2 days because he hoped things would pick up.And yes he did have his personal problem for which he got a vacation in jail so he isnt a saint. There's all sorts of angles in any gamble so maybe thats why there's no calcutta, But Barry is no KT from the IPT....he has done his best which is way more than any other promoter in the history of pool...go ahead and name a promotor who has had a tournament like the us open for what 33 years. Name a player who hasn't recieved his winnings from a us open and I'll ask him about it next week.
 
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cuedoctor said:
If you subtract the free entry's from the prize money its a mirricale Barry ever makes a dime off this gig.
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I'm pretty confident in saying that Barry's making a very nice chunk of change from the US Open. Look beyond the prize fund to everything else that goes on in that 3 ring circus and you'll start seeing exactly where he's making his money.
 
I beleive Scott will only be the Master of Cerimonies this year.

The word I hear is that there will be a new Tournament Director.
 
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