Calling ball and pocket. My final word.

I admire excellence, regardless of the endeavor involved. Slop is not excellence. I try to eliminate as much of that as I can when I play. It's better for the game and better for the players.
How do you eliminate lucky rolls for position or lucky rolls that leaves your opponent safe when you miss?? If you truly want excellence you should be calling 2 shots ahead. That would be a game of excellence.
 
How do you eliminate lucky rolls for position or lucky rolls that leaves your opponent safe when you miss?? If you truly want excellence you should be calling 2 shots ahead. That would be a game of excellence.
Hmm. Maybe using a paper disk to mark (call) where you will leave the cue ball after making the shot. If cue ball goes anywhere else opponent gets ball in hand. One can always make the game harder. This is strange anyway. A decent player should almost always beat another player that is so bad that they slop balls in. 😂
 
How do you eliminate lucky rolls for position or lucky rolls that leaves your opponent safe when you miss?? If you truly want excellence you should be calling 2 shots ahead. That would be a game of excellence.
Of course, you can't eliminate all luck, even if you called 2 shots ahead. A good 9 ball player always tries to plan at least 3 shots ahead. But I agree with your suggestion; calling 2 shots ahead in 9 ball would be an excellent game.
 
I was hoping when I placed the initial post that we could all have a civil conversation and simply discuss the pros and cons of playing call pocket 9-ball, but I guess that was asking the impossible.
 
I was hoping when I placed the initial post that we could all have a civil conversation and simply discuss the pros and cons of playing call pocket 9-ball, but I guess that was asking the impossible.
You did get conversation. "Civil" is a subjective label, so who knows what would have classified it as such for you.

It appears as though the bottom line is most, if not nearly all taking part in this thread think the bastardization of an established game for sake of making it somehow greater in your eyes is dumb. Especially when there's another game that suits your ideal nearly perfectly, (10b).

Speaking as someone who feels adding called ball/pocket to 9b is nearly inconsequential. If you were to approach me with such a proposal. I'd simply suggest playing 10b. As there are multiple online resources available that clearly define the game and the rules. Which again follow what you prefer 9b to be. Altering an established game with globally accept rules is asking for trouble and reeks of "House Rules Bar Box". Wherein, you can expect to be side swiped by another "enhancement" of the rules if you've been on the table too long.
 
Depends on your expectations. If you establish the rules as you see them with your opponent prior to the match starting and both parties agree, then fair play. If you expect your opponent to abide by your rules without laying out said rules, you are bad action.
RT Ford ,,,, I’d like to play some and I’ll play by your rules 💯,,,, where are you playing at and what days / nights ? I’ll come through
 
I was hoping when I placed the initial post that we could all have a civil conversation and simply discuss the pros and cons of playing call pocket 9-ball, but I guess that was asking the impossible.
If you go back and reread your first few sentences of your initial post, which you recently changed / deleted, it should be clear to you why you got the negative replies that you did, including from myself.

You are not the first one here to have posted something here you later regret (myself included) but what seems to turn a lot of us off is that you clearly have little if any regret to some of your statements made in that initial post, and you’ve continued to double down and defend your position.

You want to stick to games with no luck at all – then you should play call pocket 10 ball or 14.1, although even in those games there is some luck (good and bad) that comes into play.
 
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That's my point exactly! Calling ball and pocket does make it a different game. A more difficult game. That's why I play that way and that's why most pool players don't care to.
Really? Straight pool is a 'hack game'?
You really don't see anything wrong with that?
By your stated rules, no.

Your reply is more interesting, though. This is all about you and a game you have gotten the local fish to play. You don't get it that players pray to find guys like you whose ego will make them shoot at balls they shouldn't.

In the example above, you seem to say you will make shape on the four: are you playing to be able to hit the four, or make it? If you can't pocket it, will you be playing safe next? Yes, is wrong as the rules give you a better one.

Again, congratulations on finding suckers. Just watch out for strangers
 
you want to have the amount of luck involved in each game and set, so that the worse player has a reasonable chance of winning by getting more than his share of the luck.
that gets more entries into tournaments and more action for anyone.
 
back before most here were around pool we had more action than will ever be seen again. big and smaller action could be found in almost every town and many bars.
it was common to have action bars where for ten or twenty a game or more there would be a line of dozens of quarters on the table waiting to challenge whom ever was the winner of the last game and had the table.

and of course there was no calling of any shots in 8 ball( although sometimes call on the eight only) or 9 ball.
 
or my favorite two way shot is when
i shoot a three railer and while you
watch it go around the table i grab
your wallet and keys
 
the most difficult two way shot of course
is when i call -for example- the three in the
side and make it, and i draw whitey into
the four and make it

and if i get perfect shape on the five,
that’s of course a three way shot
 
also, one way is the same everywhere,
but in england, and india, and austalia
the two way is on the opposite side from
the usa
 
I'm pretty sure that useless non-rule is going to be gone in the next revision.
If you have any pull in the rules committee, is there any chance 10 ball can be made just like 9 ball? 1) Bring back the luck. 2) Bring back the 2 way shots. 3) Bring back the combo's and caroms on the money ball.

10 ball is already harder than 9 ball simply due to the extra ball, and the less balls made on a hard break (usually).
 
no no, a two way shot is when i shoot at
the object ball, and then when you aren’t
looking i roll another ball into a pocket
Nah, that's a "back door shot". Where I learned, Mean Al liked to use that on his break shots. If the nine was rolling towards the pocket on his break, and all eyes were down there, a ball at his end of the table would be magically redirected to a corner pocket. Since he was always better than his customers he didn't really need to work his magic, so maybe he did it for the sport.
 
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