Calling ball and pocket. My final word.

[ChrisinNC]

The rules in a money game are set by the players of said money game. There are no 'recognized & well established rules'.

I don’t have a problem with playing call pocket if both players agree. The way you came across in your initial post was that you won’t gamble unless you get the rules that you want - “When I play for money, my opponent has to play by my rules.”

It didn’t sound like there was much room for negotiation in your statement. If I misunderstood, I apologize.

 

[rexus31]

Are you saying that call pocket is a 'goofy rule'?

In 9B? Yes.

 

[garczar]

In 9B? Yes.

9b was invented to be basically pool's version of throwing dice, fast/quik games and lots of gambling. If played with the original 'roll out' 2-foul rules its a WAY better game with much less luck. TexasExpress one-foul rules lead to more luck and 'shit in' balls especially with lower skill level players.

 

[L.S. Dennis]

Just play 10B which also has the rule if you inadvertently pocket a ball the incoming player has the option.

Actually, I like that one too!

 

[RT Ford]

I don’t have a problem with playing call pocket if both players agree. The way you came across in your initial post was that you won’t gamble unless you get the rules that you want - “When I play for money, my opponent has to play by my rules.”

It didn’t sound like there was much room for negotiation in your statement. If I misunderstood, I apologize.

You understood correctly. It's my way or the highway, my friend.

 

[RT Ford]

ACTION.

The point is to make a game you can win. You have done that, but the true players don't care. You, however, should care as they are now looking for your fishing hole.

It's a hard game, that's true. It's not for the faint of heart.

 

[RT Ford]

WTF?? The rules for all pool games have been fairly well established, especially those that are your normal 'action' games. Even playing call-shot there's going to be lucky rolls so why try to remove all luck from the game?? Not gonna happen. Even playing 'accepted' 9b there's not that much luck unless both players are hacks that go for a lot of stupid shots. Better player is going to win way more often regardless of any 'luck factor'

You'd be doing everyone a favor by telling us what 'accepted' nine ball is.

 

[Willowbrook Wolfy]

When I play for money, my opponent has to play by my rules. I try to eliminate as much 'luck / slop' as I can, and so the ball and pocket must be called. A 9 ball or an 8 ball on the break doesn't win the game and is spotted. If a player misses a called shot during a game and another ball inadvertently goes in, he loses his turn and the ball remains pocketed. Just wondering what the consensus is among you all.
It's interesting the criticism I've received. Most of it seems to suggest my rules aren't fair. I'm only asking if you agree or disagree with call pocket. There's really no argument here. I play by my rules. If you like a different set of rules, play someone that likes your rules. Just between you and me, there are very few amateur players who'll play call pocket because they rely on the 'luck' factor to have any chance at winning against a better player.

Playing 9 ball by those rules changes the whole game. In 9 ball some players utilize two way shots as part of their games. A lot advanced players will utilize two-way shots in 9 ball. Some regularly use them. Your rules get rid of an offensive two way shot and only allows for a defensive two-way shot. I’d still play with you but just seems more tedious that way.

Why not just play 10-ball? That would be my first response to your rules. And that is BCA 8 ball. So I don’t understand why you are playing 9 ball at all

 

[RT Ford]

This has been very interesting. Many of you have told me that my rules are wrong or unfair but the rules that you use are correct. Some of you have said correctly that a pool game should be played using whatever rules the players agree on.

Playing 9 ball by those rules changes the whole game. In 9 ball some players utilize two way shots as part of their games. A lot advanced players will utilize two-way shots in 9 ball. Some regularly use them. Your rules get rid of an offensive two way shot and only allows for a defensive two-way shot. I’d still play with you but just seems more tedious that way.

Why not just play 10-ball? That would be my first response to your rules. And that is BCA 8 ball. So I don’t understand why you are playing 9 ball at all

And what exactly is a 'two-way shot'?

 

[Willowbrook Wolfy]

Well and the hustle here is I could just carom the 9 and argue with you that I won cause it stays down

 

[RT Ford]

Playing 9 ball by those rules changes the whole game. In 9 ball some players utilize two way shots as part of their games. A lot advanced players will utilize two-way shots in 9 ball. Some regularly use them. Your rules get rid of an offensive two way shot and only allows for a defensive two-way shot. I’d still play with you but just seems more tedious that way.

Why not just play 10-ball? That would be my first response to your rules. And that is BCA 8 ball. So I don’t understand why you are playing 9 ball at all

Well and the hustle here is I could just carom the 9 and argue with you that I won cause it stays down

I never said a combo on the nine didn't count as a win. Please explain what a 'two-way shot' is.

 

[Willowbrook Wolfy]

This is why I like playing last pocket 8 ball. If you think you are going to lose a game just hit the 8 ball into the jaws of a corner pocket. That’s gonna be an automatic rerack. And guys hate it but they want to play that way that’s what I do

 

[DeadStick]

And what exactly is a 'two-way shot'?

It's a combination offensive/defensive shot, usually taken on a tough cut or bank, and the goal is to leave yourself good for the next ball if you make it, but safe on the first ball if you miss it.

 

[Willowbrook Wolfy]

I never said a combo on the nine didn't count as a win. Please explain what a 'two-way shot' is.

I’m saying if you are beating me I’m accidentally pocketing the nine and arguing with you that I won the game until you quit me. That’s the hustle

 

[RT Ford]

Playing 9 ball by those rules changes the whole game. In 9 ball some players utilize two way shots as part of their games. A lot advanced players will utilize two-way shots in 9 ball. Some regularly use them. Your rules get rid of an offensive two way shot and only allows for a defensive two-way shot. I’d still play with you but just seems more tedious that way.

Why not just play 10-ball? That would be my first response to your rules. And that is BCA 8 ball. So I don’t understand why you are playing 9 ball at all

Well and the hustle here is I could just carom the 9 and argue with you that I won cause it stays down

I never said a combo on the nine didn't count as a win.

I’m saying if you are beating me I’m accidentally pocketing the nine and arguing with you that I won the game until you quit me. That’s the hustle

As I stated in my initial post, it just gets spotted. The rules were set before the game begins. There is no argument.

 

[RT Ford]

It's a combination offensive/defensive shot, usually taken on a tough cut or bank, and the goal is to leave yourself good for the next ball if you make it, but safe on the first ball if you miss it.

A player that could do that consistently would probably enjoy playing by my rules.

 

[Willowbrook Wolfy]

no your initial post was it gets spotted off the break if you miss your shot and accidentally make a different ball during play it stays down. Maybe I’d be a better lawyer than pool player.

 

[Bavafongoul]

The rules in a money game are set by the players of said money game. There are no 'recognized & well established rules'.

You’re right……people can bet on which cockroach races across the floor the fastest if that’s their whim.
Most of the big money games I have observed played by the official rules of the chosen game waged on.
Makes not much of a difference to me since I’m not competing and behaving like a sidelines critic is easy.

 

[Willowbrook Wolfy]

When I play for money, my opponent has to play by my rules. I try to eliminate as much 'luck / slop' as I can, and so the ball and pocket must be called. A 9 ball or an 8 ball on the break doesn't win the game and is spotted. If a player misses a called shot during a game and another ball inadvertently goes in, he loses his turn and the ball remains pocketed. Just wondering what the consensus is among you all.
It's interesting the criticism I've received. Most of it seems to suggest my rules aren't fair. I'm only asking if you agree or disagree with call pocket. There's really no argument here. I play by my rules. If you like a different set of rules, play someone that likes your rules. Just between you and me, there are very few amateur players who'll play call pocket because they rely on the 'luck' factor to have any chance at winning against a better player.

There’s your post it says nowhere about the 8 or 9 being spotted or early 8 means loss of game.

I’m just giving you chit cause I got a bunch today. Carryon!

 

[ChrisinNC]

Please explain what a 'two-way shot' is.

If you don’t know what a 2 way shot is, that explains a lot.