Calling Experts, I need help identifying this old cue.

Greatblzofire

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I think this one is a Balabushka. Can anyone help me confirm it based on these pics of the cue and the case? If so, where is the best place to send it to get it authenicated? Also, what kind of case is this and what value would you place on it. Both can be purchased for the right offer.

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classiccues

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Not a Bushka...

But if you want to pay someone to tell you that, send it to Pete Tascarella or Paul Rubino.

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Send it to me for identification - that is a good idea. Really. hahaha..

Ok, so to some that is funny. To others, it is not.

So?

I wish I were an expert. But I felt like posting my sorta-joke.

Felix
 

dave sutton

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not true ive had a few that the joss or jw have completely wore off. this cue kinds fits that shape.

also is the buttcap delrin or plastic cleared over or poss delrin cleared over (even though it doesnt stick well)

very early joss was hand engraved. also could be a tim scruggs. he left joss and started ts in 1978. his early cues were unmarked and resembled early 70 joss cues... obv bc he worked with joss

never seen these collars on any joss or ts though
 
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stikapos

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Could also be a richard black. Older Joss West, yes, maybe. I'm leaning towards a black, though.

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deanoc

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I am half blind but the line( what I call the glue line)going through the veneer vears off to the side,if this is so it is not a Scruggs,Szamboti,Balabushka,Mottey,Peterson,Horn ,Black ,or early Joss unless I am mistaken.Someone more knowledgeable may be able to help with the terminology,but I believe this rules out a jackpot for you.
I believe this is part of what is called mitred points.There are good cue makers that do their points to the side like this one,south west comes to mind,but this is not a south west,and I am no expert on any of the above.
 
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It's Not A Bushka...to Many Tell Tale Signs

It's Not A Black... Wrong Collars, And Points.

It Could Be One Of Many Other Classic Cuemakers, But It's Not Those Two. I Doubt It's A Joss Or A Jw, Also Due To The Joint Trim.
 

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Possibly an old Dale Patten or Gary Allen cue....see if you can go back through its lineage and track it coming from the west coast. Don't think it's any of the other cuemakers mentioned either. Def. not a Bushka....good lord.
 

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cueaddicts said:
Possibly an old Dale Patten or Gary Allen cue....see if you can go back through its lineage and track it coming from the west coast. Don't think it's any of the other cuemakers mentioned either. Def. not a Bushka....good lord.

PATTEN HAD CROSSED MY MIND AS WELL.... I THINK THAT'S THE TRAIL TO FOLLOW.
 

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That would be a old Adams or a Palmer cue from the late 60's or possibly early 70's!

The veneers are called stack veneers. The ones that run off to the side alittle that is!
 

Greatblzofire

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Thanks everyone for looking.

So, it is not the motherload:( It is still a cool old cue. I knew the trained eyes here on AZ could get me pointed in the right direction. Maybe one day I will know all of this info and be able to identify something like this myself.

Any guesses on the value? What about the case? Who might have made the case? Any value there?

Again, thanks for everyones help.
 

Greatblzofire

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I tried to take the Bumper off. It was an allen head screw holding the bumper on. The bumper did not want to come out easily, so I did not force it. I do not know what the weight bolt looks like.
 

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Just a word on mystery cues..

First: This is one of many, many topics in the for sale section that would be better off in a Cue Discussion area.

Second: Mystery cues are always a gamble. There is no tell tale sign on a lot of cues. This cue in particular is one of those cues. Trim rings are kind of odd, and the points at the base are very wide. There are a plethora of lesser known cue makers from the 60's and 70's. I just found out there was a guy with a Spanish last name, Gomez, Gonzales, Jose something or another in NYC made cues. If I threw out the name Eddie Silva, who besides me would know Eddie. This doesn't even count the Palmer-esque guys like Fundunka and Karl Mayer. These guys made cues in the styles of the masters of that time frame. There is a Doug Borque on ebay made in the 70's, I had no idea and I know Doug. McDaniels made cues for a long time. As we find out, memories fade, records were shoddy. I feel a lot of these cues are going to remain mysteries for a long time. Randy Andersen made pointed cues with Joss West joint blocks. I know I have seen a few trying to be passed off as JW's.
Cues can sometimes be very, very tricky. Buying mystery cues are a crap shoot. It's really like buying a lottery ticket. Would you pay 400,600 or more for a scratch off? That is how you have to look at it. They are a lot of fun and speculation is a great hobby, but it could be a costly hobby. :D
Dick Abbott over at Billiardcue.com had a really interesting mystery cue at the Hopkins a few years ago. These cues pop up from time to time. We should make a law that cuemakers have to at least sign the handle :)

JV
 
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