Camel Pro 8-Ball Championship

Raph Cleary

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Many people have said the Earl Strickland is a "World Eight-ball Champion" referring to his 1999 Camel Pro 8-Ball Championship win. Does this event qualify as an "Eight-ball World Championship". Many people have said this due to the fact that the Camel Pro 8-Ball Championship came the year after the PBT World Eight-ball Championship and was held in the same place: Las Vegas, Nevada at the Riviera Hotel & Casino.

The PBT (Pro Billiards Tour) lasted from 1994 to 1996. PBT World Eight-ball Championship:
YearLocationWinnerRunner-up
1994Toledo, United StatesUnited States Nick VarnerUnited States Allen Hopkins
1995Vegas, United States
Philippines Efren Reyes
United States Jeff Carter
1996Vegas, United StatesPhilippines Efren ReyesUnited States Jimmy Wetch

The Camel Pro Billiard Series lasted from 1997 to 2000. Camel Pro 8-Ball Championship:
YearLocationWinnerRunner-up
1997 Vegas, United States United States Danny Medina Philippines Efren Reyes
1998Vegas, United States
Philippines Francisco Bustamante
United States Johnny Archer
1999Vegas, United StatesUnited States Earl StricklandUnited States Mike Coltrain
2000Vegas, United StatesPhilippines Efren ReyesFinland Mika Immonen
 
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Many people have said the Earl Strickland is a "World Eight-ball Champion" referring to his 1999 Camel Pro 8-Ball Championship win. Does this event qualify as an "Eight-ball World Championship". Many people have said this due to the fact that the Camel Pro 8-Ball Championship came the year after the PBT World Eight-ball Championship and was held in the same place: Las Vegas, Nevada at the Riviera Hotel & Casino.

The PBT (Pro Billiards Tour) lasted from 1994 to 1996. PBT World Eight-ball Championship:
YearLocationWinnerRunner-up
1994Toledo, United StatesUnited States Nick VarnerUnited States Allen Hopkins
1995Vegas, United States
Philippines Efren Reyes
United States Jeff Carter
1996Vegas, United StatesPhilippines Efren ReyesUnited States Jimmy Wetch

The Camel Pro Billiard Series lasted from 1997 to 2000. Camel Pro 8-Ball Championship:
YearLocationWinnerRunner-up
1997 Vegas, United States United States Danny Medina Philippines Efren Reyes
1998Vegas, United States
Philippines Francisco Bustamante
United States Johnny Archer
1999Vegas, United StatesUnited States Earl StricklandUnited States Mike Coltrain
2000Vegas, United StatesPhilippines Efren ReyesFinland Mika Immonen

What do you think?
It was reflective of that era. Sure. Will it be anywhere close to the upcoming one in San Juan, NO.
 
Oh, my favorite soap box. @Bob Jewett will correct me if I am wrong, but unless the WPA sanctioned the event as a World Championship, it is not a World Championship. I don't believe they sanctioned any of the Camel Tour Stops as World Championships.

Mike
 
Which event are you referring to? The Camel Pro Series was a point-based tour. Do you have a date and location for the event
As the title says the "Camel Pro 8-Ball Championship" which ran from 1997 to 2000 If you read above?
Dates and Locations are all above.
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The Camel 8-ball Championship, which I attended twice, was not a world championship, but as it was probably the premier eight ball event in the world played on nine-foot tables at the time, it might qualify as a de facto world championship. The reasoning is similar to that applied to the Johnston City one pocket and bank pool titles, often referred to by the billiards media as world championships even though they really are not.
 
The Camel 8-ball Championship, which I attended twice, was not a world championship, but as it was probably the premier eight ball event in the world played on nine-foot tables at the time, it might qualify as a de facto world championship. The reasoning is similar to that applied to the Johnston City one pocket and bank pool titles, often referred to by the billiards media as world championships even though they really are not.
Thanks again Stu for clarifying this! What about the "PBT World Eight-ball Championship" that Varner won once and Efren twice, same thing again or would this be a world championship due to Varner being considered an "Eight-ball World Champion" and Efren being a "4" time champion, it's tricky. 🤷‍♂️
 
What argues against the September 1999 event at the Riviera being a world championship is that it was one of eight events in the Camel tour. It was a tour stop. It was not billed as a world championship. The WPA was sanctioning world championships at the time, and I suppose Camel could have gotten a sanction if they had chosen to. For those who are wondering, here are the top 16 finishers.

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In the same issue of NBN, here are the results of the WPA World 9-Ball Championships which was run by Matchroom in Cardiff, Wales. It looks to me like the entries were fundamentally different. So were the prize funds.

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Thanks again Stu for clarifying this! What about the "PBT World Eight-ball Championship" that Varner won once and Efren twice, same thing again or would this be a world championship due to Varner being considered an "Eight-ball World Champion" and Efren being a "4" time champion, it's tricky. 🤷‍♂️
No, these were probably not world championships, although I'm not certain of it. Similarly, the two IPT events in 2006 that paid $500,000 to Efren and $350,000 to Hohmann were not world championships, despite having the most elite eight ball fields in history. Trudeau steered clear of WPA, making it clear that he did so intentionally.
 
What constitutes a "world" event besides who said so? More desire from the field? More pressure for and by all concerned? More fix?
For an event to be a true world championship in our sport, WPA sanctioning is required. WPA sanctioning requirements are fairly rigorous, mandating high added money and, as importantly, invitation criteria that tend to ensure worldwide inclusion and an unbiased field filling methodology.

An event calling itself a world championship (the Dragon "World 14.1" events beyond 2010 are a good example) but not seeking and then securing WPA sanctioning is not a true world championship.
 
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For an event to be a true world championship in our sport, WPA sanctioning is required. WPA sanctioning requirements are fairly rigorous, mandating high added money and, as importantly, invitation criteria that tend to ensure worldwide inclusion and an unbiased field filling methodology.

An event calling itself a world championship (the Dragon "World 14.1" events beyond 2010 are a good example) but do not seek and then secure WPA sanctioning is not a true world championship.
This is an unfair question but can it be said that a WPA World event will distill the best player?
 
Quality of the field is everything. Couldn't care less who,if anyone, sanctioned it. Sanctioning bodies, imo, tend to be nothing more than stuffed-shirt blowhards.
 
There's only three player with 3 WPA World Championship's, Earl Strickland, Oliver Ortmann and Thorsten Hohmann but I'm sure by the end of Filler & Fedor's career's they will have much more!
 
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Quality of the field is everything. Couldn't care less who,if anyone, sanctioned it. Sanctioning bodies, imo, tend to be nothing more than stuffed-shirt blowhards.
Yes and no. I agree that quality of the field is everything, but the WPA field filling methodology is a time-tested way of getting that special field that you and I prefer.

For example, a field in which only Europeans are invited cannot gain sanctioning as a world championship, no matter how strong that field is and, as we both know, it could be VERY strong. Similarly, if a tournament failed to invite any of the top five in the world by ranking, even if its field was super-strong, it could not gain sanctioning as a world championship. WPA sanctioned world championship guidelines mandate that event producers reach out to the federations under WPA, with the best known of them being the BCA for America, the EPBF for Europe and the APBU for Asia, and the federations ensure that invitations are based on rankings and merit.

Without the field filling rules of the WPA, we'd get weaker fields in the world championships, and the door would be wide open for bias and corruption in the field-filling methodology of the producer, something pool really doesn't need.

WPA has long done a creditable job when it comes to ensuring that world championship fields are super-elite, and I think others, especially Matchroom, which now handles invites and seeding based on its nine-ball rankings, are starting to follow suit to the great benefit of our sport.

I think we see this the same way, my friend, for we both want the strongest possible fields, but WPA sanctioning requirements continue to play a big role in the extent to which we'll get what we want.
 
This is an unfair question but can it be said that a WPA World event will distill the best player?
Just like in any other sport, the best player/team won't always win, but look at who the ten most recent world nine-ball champions were: 2012 Appleton, 2013 Hohmann, 2014 Feijen, 2015 Ko Pin Yi, 2016 Ouschan, 2017 Biado, 2018 Filler, 2019 Gorst, not played in 2020 due to pandemic, 2021 Ouschan, 2022 Van Boening. These are some of the most legendary players in our sport's history, so it would seem that WPA World Championships are consistently bringing the cream to the top.
 
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