FLICKit said:
we can only gather from 'Flick-it' THAT there are no mirrors in his place, otherwise he (Flick-it) would read and reflect on what he's spewing forth,,,MORE meaningless, BS rantings that say nothing !!!
Can anyone explain this to me?
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we can only gather from 'Flick-it' THAT there are no mirrors in his place, otherwise he (Flick-it) would read and reflect on what he's spewing forth,,,MORE meaningless, BS rantings that say nothing !!!
Hi teacherman,
I would like your opinion on the following.
Last year I attended an event with multiple Pro and Amatuer events. During the event, one of the PRO PLAYERS, entered in one of the pro events, sat down next to me in the "VIP" area and started to watch another PRO event. One of the ticket sales people walked up to this guy and asked for $10.00 to watch this part of the event. The PRO calmly explained to this guy who he was. The ticket guy got loud and continued to ask for the money. My friend, the PRO, got up and left. What a thrill to be asked to pay more when you already paid $350 to enter the event. Got to make money right?
Look, I understand your view of players. Having been one for fifty years, I agree with your general assessment of the state of the game. I put my money where my mouth is and helped to add some money to a tournament in hopes of promoting our room regionally and getting my fellow players to practice more. I'll let you know in thirty days how it went. The room is planning on charging a modest fee ($10.00) to watch a days worth of pool, each day.
I would like your opinion on the following.
Last year I attended an event with multiple Pro and Amatuer events. During the event, one of the PRO PLAYERS, entered in one of the pro events, sat down next to me in the "VIP" area and started to watch another PRO event. One of the ticket sales people walked up to this guy and asked for $10.00 to watch this part of the event. The PRO calmly explained to this guy who he was. The ticket guy got loud and continued to ask for the money. My friend, the PRO, got up and left. What a thrill to be asked to pay more when you already paid $350 to enter the event. Got to make money right?
Look, I understand your view of players. Having been one for fifty years, I agree with your general assessment of the state of the game. I put my money where my mouth is and helped to add some money to a tournament in hopes of promoting our room regionally and getting my fellow players to practice more. I'll let you know in thirty days how it went. The room is planning on charging a modest fee ($10.00) to watch a days worth of pool, each day.
So i guess everyone would agree this tournament in Calgary,Canada is a bargain,pro tournament with top pros.johnny,ralf,alex,locals like edwin montel,run by jim wysch ,tue wed thur $5.00 per day,fri $10.oo,sat finals$15.00.cardiac kid said:
,All in Canadian funds.The website is www.smlentertainment.com
almer said:
Yes it would, almer. Many of the top pros are going to be there, as you say. I believe the only point, Dogginda9, was making in his original post was that the $25 Sat. and $30 Sun. charge was excessive. I agree. Especially with only a very few top pros in the tournament. Instead of politely disagreeing and explaining his point, Teacherman, jumped on the guy with all 4 feet. Obviously, Teacherman runs a room. If he treated his patrons as he treated, Dogginda9, he would have none left. Justice would be that his patrons would all be pointed to this thread, where they could understand how unappreciated they are by, Teacherman. John Abruzzo, is a friend of mine. John, runs the room where the tournament was held. I personally would have paid the price and in private ask, John, why the increase. I am sure, John, would have explained his decision in a non-hostile manner, knowing that the question was not out of line in the least.
vapoolplayer said:
Actually, in this case, Earl might not be the best example
This was my first live tournament and I went for 4 days straight and it got a little expensive. Started at $10 on Wed. Then up $5 per day till Sunday when it was $30. Friday and Saturday nights were pretty crowded. Very few folks on Sunday for the Final. I don't know as John put up any money upfront but it must have cost him a lot in business, especially on Sunday when about 14 tables were inaccessible for only about 4 matches at a time.
Palace did a great job and John, the owner, struck me as a standup guy. interested in the game, the players and his customers. I only wish his place was closer to where I live, as I would be a regular there.
Tim
Teacherman said:Don't confuse typical pool customer with typical customer. One has an attitude. The other has discretionary income.
Which would you prefer to do business with?
As part of the "Discretionary Income Crowd" (DIC? That doesn't sound good ;-) I enjoy having the "pool customers" around as these are often the guys that really know the game in a way that I will never have the time or dedication to know it. I think you need both and I don't patronize a place that only caters to one over the other.
Tim
Teacherman said:
So do you think that everyone is a Son of a Bitch as well?turquoisecrazy said:
Mike
cardiac kid said:
Cardiac Kid (great meeting you last week)
This June Hard Times Billiards in Sacramento CA, is going to have a 6 day event (3 days of 1Pkt,$5000 added and 3 days of 9 Ball,$10,000 added)
Admission will be $5/day.
Hard Times has a separate tournament room, just for these events. Seating is approximately 300 (stadium style and some floor seats)
The owners have absolutely NO problem holding this annual event and also have weekly and monthly events with added money.
Hard Times invests approximately $35,000 a year in Added Money and running their tournaments for the pool players.
The value is the national reputation it recieves and the very loyal customer base that continues to patronize the establishment.
There is a nightly 'waiting' list every nite of the week. 33 tables, bar and grill serving pool players.
NO Leagues (that tie up tables) just lots of tournaments.
If you want to know more about the tournaments and payouts for the last 6 months, go to www.onthebreaknews.com and veiw the last 6 months of stories from Hard Times tournaments and the results. We document all our tournaments, all payouts from each.
I don't know of any other pool room that puts out monthly results from their tournaments in a public pool news paper.
Hope to see lots of AZBilliards forum members at the June Jamboree.
hemicudas said:
I like very much what Hard Times is doing. I wish more rooms would promote billiards as they seem to. Good job and thank you Hard Times.
hemicudas said:
Very Profitable. 6 figures some months.
Players from all over northern California come for the Monthly One Pocket and 9 ball events.
Short list of great players that frequent Hard Times:
Billy Palmer, George Michaels, Tony Chohan, Amar Kang, Tony Annigoni, Chris MacDonald, Geraldo Jamito, John Henderson, "Bee" Davison, Jun Almoite and Ernesto Dominguez.
pete lafond said:
Hard Times encourages its 'newbie' players with a regular weekly 'B' tournament.
This tournament is for the 'experience' and is also a learning exercise for rules and sportsmanship during competition. These players will eventually start playing in the Open weekly and Monthly events. It is a great path to become a tournament seasoned player. Hard Times strives to promote pool and the players with these events.
These very young guns get to enter a tournament for $5 with $75 added. For 32 players racing to 4 and limited to just 32 players, if you win two matches you get $10. 3 matches, $20, 4 matches $55 and top prize is $100.
It has become an 'honor' to earn the 'you are not allowed to play in this event anymore, because you are too good' and not a 'B' player anymore'
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nfty9er said:
I forgot to mention Jeff Gregory (last Dec04 USPPA Reno Champ), he did play in this month's Monthly events. My guess, he wasn't too happy with the tournament tables (cut 4 1/8 inch point to point for the corner pockets). But, I am sure he'll get it up to speed. Jeff is a very good player.
I doubt it
He played and practiced on my famous nbr 2 table all the time,which has tighter pockkets than that, especially one pocket so I do not think the small pockets were a problem. More likely lack of playing time recently due to move and his family obligations.
Tom In Cincy said:
He played and practiced on my famous nbr 2 table all the time,which has tighter pockkets than that, especially one pocket so I do not think the small pockets were a problem. More likely lack of playing time recently due to move and his family obligations.
Hi 'Cudas,
I was there last week! I have never seen such incredibly well engineered tables! Ernesto has outdone himself. I got to meet Tom in Cincy. Ran into him again in Reno Friday night. Tom showed me the facilities. Described what the future may bring to Hardtimes. What incredible owners they have. This may be the best pool room in the country! I can't wait to go back. Thanks for the conversations Tom!!!!!!!!!
I was there last week! I have never seen such incredibly well engineered tables! Ernesto has outdone himself. I got to meet Tom in Cincy. Ran into him again in Reno Friday night. Tom showed me the facilities. Described what the future may bring to Hardtimes. What incredible owners they have. This may be the best pool room in the country! I can't wait to go back. Thanks for the conversations Tom!!!!!!!!!