it was for 2 double jeopardy teams, one Double J on Monday, and a double J on Sunday. The matches here are 9 dollars per. and the 800 came out of nowhere, when I left (a little over a year ago) the total for the session for both teams was just under 600. because we only had enough people to play 2, or on lucky nights 3 players. As I explained previously.
Can APA hold me accountable for past due fees of other players?
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it was for 2 double jeopardy teams, one Double J on Monday, and a double J on Sunday. The matches here are 9 dollars per. and the 800 came out of nowhere, when I left (a little over a year ago) the total for the session for both teams was just under 600. because we only had enough people to play 2, or on lucky nights 3 players. As I explained previously.
If the league operator was contacted to, I do not believe there is anyway they will hold you responsible.
What I am really curious about is this:
What can the APA home Office really do?
can they actually help me?
and can anything be done about him spreading lies about me?
Dr9ball, I am going to be totally honest here.
I have thought about that, and put a lot of consideration into it.
but if I don't fight this, my name will never be cleared, and it will look like I actually did steal that money.
The opportunity to clear my name with APA, and friends from the pool hall isn't something I am willing to just walk away from.
i also play dj and have been in a similar situation. i didnt let it get to the point you did. wether you formed your own team or the other people elected you captain you gotta realize the league is expecting their 45.00 from your team each night and as the captain its your responsibility to see its in the envelope when you turn in your scoresheet. i am assuming its 45.00 for your league at 9.00 a match times 5 matches. thats what we pay.
if i was short one player we would all pitch in a couple dollars for one play to oplay twice, its not fair for one to pay 18.00 to play twice. if i was short 2 players i would use a replay as above and put the money in myself for the forfeit game. the next week i would get my money back from the player who was absent. evey one was in agreement with this when the team formed.
sounds to me like you kept playing each week hoping the others would come back and pay up. you and the lo were both at fault for letting it get that far. i read the bylaw one tome about not paying league fees on time but im not going to quote it until i look it up again. as soon as i find it i will let you know what it says.
The total due at the end of each night was 90. The players and myself that did show up all paid their dues (myself included) and we pitched in what we could, when we could. The players that just never showed up told me numerous times they would be back, and play. My LO also informed me if we disbanned the team he would throw 170 bucks on top of everything for the team foerfitting the rest of the matches for that session, and that would have been for 2 teams.
I agree both the LO and I LET it get where it is, but I feel its totally unfair to let those players that screwed me back into the league without paying a cent. Yet he thinks I owe him 800, AND accused me of theft. To top it off, he knows exactly who really owes him as I made sure to document every player who skipped out on me.
I would greatly appreciate you looking that up for me. But if its a local bylaw, it may not be applicable in my situation. I would still like to know though. Knowledge is power
The total due at the end of each night was 90. The players and myself that did show up all paid their dues (myself included) and we pitched in what we could, when we could. The players that just never showed up told me numerous times they would be back, and play. My LO also informed me if we disbanned the team he would throw 170 bucks on top of everything for the team foerfitting the rest of the matches for that session, and that would have been for 2 teams.
I agree both the LO and I LET it get where it is, but I feel its totally unfair to let those players that screwed me back into the league without paying a cent. Yet he thinks I owe him 800, AND accused me of theft. To top it off, he knows exactly who really owes him as I made sure to document every player who skipped out on me.
I would greatly appreciate you looking that up for me. But if its a local bylaw, it may not be applicable in my situation. I would still like to know though. Knowledge is power
90.00 ? damn ! nobody in my league better b*tch about our weekly fees.
i just looked up the rule in the official team manual.
page 12 . weekly fee. THE ENTIRE WEEKLY FEE IS DUE REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY PLAYERS ARE ON THE ROSTER OR HOW MANY PLAYERS PLAYED DURING THE MATCH. not much help for you there.
did your team drop out or did the rest of you finish the rest of the session ?
page 23. chapter 6. a team that drops out during a session WILL BE REQUIRED TO PAY all past dues, the balance of all dues they would have owed had they completed the session , plus 2 weeks fees deposit (which will be applied to the final weeks of the session) before they would be allowed to rejoin the league. A PLAYER WHO WAS ON SUCH A TEAM AND WHO WISHES TO REJOIN THE LEAGUE MUST FIRST PAY HIS SHARE BEFORE BEING REINSTATED. that might be of some help to you.
these are not bylaws, they are in the official manual. hope i didnt sound too hard on you in my 1st post about letting it go like you did. i just know the team is responsible no matter how many players you had, just wanted to look it up for clarification. sounds to me like you just wanted to play pool those nights regardless if you had a full team or not and got screwed by your ex teamates.
why didnt you just drop them and add a few? there is a provision in there for adding players after the deadline that would have benefited you. its to keep teams from dropping out due to not having enough players.
i think you need to talk to the home office and explain what happened. you were smart to document who paid and who didnt. also have them explain why the lo let it go that far. good luck and let us know what the home office rules.
AND the fact that some (many?) of those players are currently playing in the same league, despite not paying for the previous session....
It says it right there. The player must pay his share. I don't see how his share is the whole amount.......
lol its only 90.00 because its a double J. 9 per match, and 5 8 ball, and 5 9 ball. it is kind of steep.. BUT its the only league within 2 hours of here.
yea, the 2-3 players that did show up just wanted to play pool, and I got screwed because I was the team captain.
I wanted to add new players, but when I contacted the LO, I was informed that after the 4th week we were no longer able to add any players to the roster.
I did call the home office about 2 hours ago, and it seems as if they are closed down for "Employee appreciation"... wonder if tat has anything to do with it being Sinco De Mayo lol.
that is the rule for a team that drops out. i stated that rule might help his case altho as i understand it the rest of the team continued playing and paid their fees. nobody was paying the rest of the fees due that the ENTIRE TEAM owed.
i do agree with you that he should not be liable for the entire amount. i just stated what the rules said. i think he was screwed as i stated in my previous post but i just cant understand how he and the lo let it get to that point.
i just looked at our by laws and there is no variance from the league rule book. the bottom line is that the weekly fees are due no matter how many players show up. his team didnt pay them. like i said before, he or his lo should never have let it go that far.
btw the only other rule i saw and maybe it should have been enforced in this case also is if an entire team does not show then the next week they must pay their last week dues before they are eligible to play .
I would call the league office and try to get it sorted out. If they can't help, I would tell the LO to take a flying leap. I would choose to do this very loudly and during the middle of league night. I would make sure everyone knew my side of it. Then, I would ask if someone wanted to gamble cheap and go play them instead of playing APA. You could get a lot of cheap gambling in for $800. You would at least get some competitive practice in that way and make yourself a better player. Better to lose $800 with a chance to win than to turn it over to some dickhead with no return on your money.
add the fact that you asked your lo if you could add players to your team to your protest with the home office also.
rule 13 page 28.
players may be added to a team after the 4th week , but only with approval from league office. the rule is an exception to help teams as in your situation where you dont have enough players to field a full team.
you cant use that exception if you are qualified for team championships during the spring session. it states the apa put this exception in to keep teams from being forced to quit,which seems to be what you were faced with. it also states you can add even if you are qualified for the championships if you are willing to give up your eligibility. dont know why he would not make an excepyion in your case. either your lo is an a** or is not aware of the rules.
our dj fees are 30.00 for 8 ball and 15.00 for 9 ball which total up to 45.00. we have an uneven number of players so each week some one will just play either 8 or 9 ball, not both. if you play both you pay 9.00, if you just play one match you pay just 4.50, doesnt matter which game you play. its just more fair that way for every one on the team.
again good luck with your protest.
Thats exactly what I am hoping for. I don't want to get off scott free, because it was also my fault, but I don't believe I should take all the fall damage. the LO also let it get bad, I don't want to pay for BOTH our mistakes.
I have one more question guys...
I haev called the APA home office, and they sent me to the "Players Assistance Line" which has been busy all day... they asked me to leave a message with name, number all the vital info they might need. but I wanna try to remain anonymous for the time being... I dont want my LO to get wind of my contacting them and try to forge, or lose documentation.
anyone know of another number in the APA home office I can call? or a specific person I can get in touch with?
thanks guys.
I haev called the APA home office, and they sent me to the "Players Assistance Line" which has been busy all day... they asked me to leave a message with name, number all the vital info they might need. but I wanna try to remain anonymous for the time being... I dont want my LO to get wind of my contacting them and try to forge, or lose documentation.
anyone know of another number in the APA home office I can call? or a specific person I can get in touch with?
thanks guys.
Try (636)625-8611
Try (636)625-8611
Thast just the standard hotline number.
they arent helping at all.
I was looking for a specific number, or extension to an actual person.