Can someone Break Down in Detail the different ways of giving WEIGHT in 9 Ball ?

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Desmondp

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On the cool runout media video, they had a segement on money matches in a Vegas poolroom

Said Shane Van Boening played this guy and gave him a ton of weight

The weight included

The other guy getting all breaks (that's self explanatory)

the other guy getting ball in hand after the break (so does this mean whether he gets a ball in or not , he gets ball in hand ? )

The other guy getting the 7 ball (what does this involve ?)

What other ways of giving weight are there in 9ball? i guess for money matches

thanks
 
Just a couple of examples:

Ball weight: e.g., 7-ball; 7-out; Call-7 with the Wild-8...et cetera.

Giving someone the '7-ball' means that your opponent (who you are giving weight to) has an additional ball that can be made in order to win the game. There can be conditions on giving ball weight, such as the 'Call-7', meaning that the player has to call the pocket with his added money ball, the 7. Or the '7-Out', meaning in a game of 9-ball, that player has to make the 7, 8, or 9 to win that game. Another example of this is the 'Orange Crush', being a moniker for giving someone the 5-ball (traditionally orange in color) and the rest of the rack as game winning balls (you could call it the '5-Out').

Game weight: e.g., 1 on the wire, 3 to 10, et cetera.

This handicap system is forfeiting a set number of games to the opponent you are giving the handicap to. In a race to five, giving someone '1 on the wire' means you will have to win five games, while your opponent has to win four. Three to 10, simply means giving 3 games away in a race to 10 games.

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There are MANY other ways of offering a handicap, such as your example of BIH after the break, with all the breaks--meaning thoughout the set Shane never gets to break, and his opponent gets to put the cue ball wherever he wants after breaking. Based on your information provided, it's uncertain that it has to be a legal break or not in order to have BIH after the snap. I would imagine in this instance, if the player scratched or didn't make a ball on the break, he still would be allowed to have BIH. However, that's a purely just a guess.

Hope this helps!
 
Desmondp said:
On the cool runout media video, they had a segement on money matches in a Vegas poolroom

Said Shane Van Boening played this guy and gave him a ton of weight

The weight included

The other guy getting all breaks (that's self explanatory)

the other guy getting ball in hand after the break (so does this mean whether he gets a ball in or not , he gets ball in hand ? )

The other guy getting the 7 ball (what does this involve ?)

What other ways of giving weight are there in 9ball? i guess for money matches

thanks
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In 9 Ball:

Getting the 7 means that the 7 ball is just like the 9 ball for you and if you make it on a legal shot you win. Without any other conditions the 7 is considered "wild" which means it's wins if made on the break or any other legal shot. So you can get balls this way. As an example I once gave up the 4,5,6,7,8 wild AND the breaks.

Getting the last two means that when there are two balls left on the table say the 9 and the 6 then making the 6 wins for you. You still have to shoot the balls in order though.

From these two premises you can go anywhere.

For example I can offer you the call 7 which means in order to win you have to call it in the pocket you intend it to go in.

I can offer you all the breaks and ball in hand after the break.

I can offer you the 6 out which means the 6,7,8 but I get all the breaks.

I can offer you the orange crush which is the wild five and the breaks.

The most common are simply wild balls and last balls. Sometime wild balls are combined with last balls. For example I could offer you the wild 6 and the last two.

Also weight is given by spotting games on the wire. So I might tell you that you get four on the wire going to ten. That means that you need to win six games and I need to win ten to get the money. Sometimes games are combined with balls.

That's the basics of spotting in 9 ball.

One time I was negotiating a spot with a guy and we couldn't agree on how many games he would get on the wire. So him that I would give him 3 and HALF games. The spot was 3 on the wire in a race to 11 but if the set went hill/hill 10:10 then he only needed to get to the five ball in the last game to win the set.

I won.
 
Thanks guys, really appreciate the answers :)

If you get given the breaks, BIH after the break and a few wild balls and still can't win, you have no business being on a pool table :p
 
Desmondp
Just a bit of friendly advise...NEVER EVER GIVE UP WEIGHT...ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ask for weight.:D:D:D
 
Desmondp said:
Thanks guys, really appreciate the answers :)

If you get given the breaks, BIH after the break and a few wild balls and still can't win, you have no business being on a pool table :p
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I think that the prevailing wisdom behind giving this spot is that the opponent has no business being on the pool table.

You'd be surprised at the size of spots pros can give up to decent amateurs and still win.

I was given the last four by Jesse Bowman and I lost two sets. By the end of the second set I couldn't have dropped a ball on the floor much less make one in a pocket. I told my road partner that my arm felt like jelly. Jesse brought so much heat that when I was supposed to get out easily I dogged my brains out.

My road partner who plays two balls better than me decided that he would get in the box with Jesse with the same spot. Jesse, having nothing to lose and a chance to double up, readily agreed and just as easily dispatched my buddy.
 
Thanks Ben :)

How do the top players react to strangers with no rep at all and giving weight ?

If i had the break, BIH after the break and wild 6, 7, 8 and 9, i'd fancy my chances against anyone in the world. I would play Shane Van Boeing for say 3K with that weight no problem. To me the BIH after the break is the big thing. That helps hugely and would mean i wouldn't need to get involved in the push out stuff which is what i would be mega weak at
 
NineballBEN said:
Desmondp
Just a bit of friendly advise...NEVER EVER GIVE UP WEIGHT...ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ask for weight.:D:D:D
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If you go into any real poolroom with that attitude then you will quickly get a reputation as a nuthunter and and nit.

I also don't like the advice of always asking for weight because it doesn't test you as a player.

When I ask for weight I immediately get an inferiority complex. Of course die hard hustlers don't suffer this anxiety. They are stone cold killers who are out for blood and they will take the rainbow and the snaps from Helen Keller and have the audacity to ask for games on the wire and odds on the money along with it.
 
Hey Desmond,

Last night I took the 7/8 wild from a very good player and lost a quick set to five. He ran four racks.

Then I turned around and spotted him 11:8 in one pocket and the first game he had me down 7:3 and I came back on won it and the second game he had me down 7 to minus 4. He needs one ball and I need 12. I came back to both of us needing one ball and then dogged it.

I should do better with the 7/8 in nine ball but when the opponent parks you in the chair it doesn't matter what the spot is.
 
JB mate, but he didn't give you all the breaks did he ?

Getting all the breaks and BIH after the break really means you have a say in every rack .
 
Are you racking or him?

If he is racking, you might as well just hand him the money.

Desmondp said:
Thanks Ben :)

How do the top players react to strangers with no rep at all and giving weight ?

If i had the break, BIH after the break and wild 6, 7, 8 and 9, i'd fancy my chances against anyone in the world. I would play Shane Van Boeing for say 3K with that weight no problem. To me the BIH after the break is the big thing. That helps hugely and would mean i wouldn't need to get involved in the push out stuff which is what i would be mega weak at
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Desmondp said:
Thanks Ben :)

How do the top players react to strangers with no rep at all and giving weight ?

If i had the break, BIH after the break and wild 6, 7, 8 and 9, i'd fancy my chances against anyone in the world. I would play Shane Van Boeing for say 3K with that weight no problem. To me the BIH after the break is the big thing. That helps hugely and would mean i wouldn't need to get involved in the push out stuff which is what i would be mega weak at
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Good luck. If you ever play Shane or any other pro with this weight, please let me know. I'd like to back the pro.
 
Desmondp said:
JB mate, but he didn't give you all the breaks did he ?

Getting all the breaks and BIH after the break really means you have a say in every rack .
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No, it was winner breaks.

No one here will give up the breaks and BIH after the break.
 
Better watch it. You state that there is a weak aspect of your game, the pushout. To me, that indicates you have not yet become a 'Player'.

There are certainly more than a few folks out there who would give that to you, if you bet enough.

And having read your whole post now...go turn your 3k into 6k (or 0k :eek:)!

Desmondp said:
Thanks Ben :)

How do the top players react to strangers with no rep at all and giving weight ?

If i had the break, BIH after the break and wild 6, 7, 8 and 9, i'd fancy my chances against anyone in the world. I would play Shane Van Boeing for say 3K with that weight no problem. To me the BIH after the break is the big thing. That helps hugely and would mean i wouldn't need to get involved in the push out stuff which is what i would be mega weak at
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Impact Blue said:
Just a couple of examples:

Ball weight: e.g., 7-ball; 7-out; Call-7 with the Wild-8...et cetera.

Giving someone the '7-ball' means that your opponent (who you are giving weight to) has an additional ball that can be made in order to win the game. There can be conditions on giving ball weight, such as the 'Call-7', meaning that the player has to call the pocket with his added money ball, the 7. Or the '7-Out', meaning in a game of 9-ball, that player has to make the 7, 8, or 9 to win that game. Another example of this is the 'Orange Crush', being a moniker for giving someone the 5-ball (traditionally orange in color) and the rest of the rack as game winning balls (you could call it the '5-Out').

Game weight: e.g., 1 on the wire, 3 to 10, et cetera.

This handicap system is forfeiting a set number of games to the opponent you are giving the handicap to. In a race to five, giving someone '1 on the wire' means you will have to win five games, while your opponent has to win four. Three to 10, simply means giving 3 games away in a race to 10 games.

-----

There are MANY other ways of offering a handicap, such as your example of BIH after the break, with all the breaks--meaning thoughout the set Shane never gets to break, and his opponent gets to put the cue ball wherever he wants after breaking. Based on your information provided, it's uncertain that it has to be a legal break or not in order to have BIH after the snap. I would imagine in this instance, if the player scratched or didn't make a ball on the break, he still would be allowed to have BIH. However, that's a purely just a guess.

Hope this helps!
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Thank you for this explanation. I often, as well, wondered exactly what "on the wire" meant.
 
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