Can someone please give updates on Shane/Scott?

Problem with Big Dog's is when you go back home you tend to go back to being who you were prior to leaving.... and that ain't The Freezer we've come to know and love.
 
BVal said:
What is so bad about Big Dog's? I am sure Frost would be singing a different tune if he wasn't getting waxed by SVB. Both players are playing under the same conditions, one is performing and one is not.

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I don't know so much it is the added pressure of coming back to DSM that is getting to Scott but the number of racks SVB is running and Scott's inability to get a shot on the 1 ball. This with the lead that SVB has is wearing Scott down. You can see his focus wavering when he is checking his phone while SVB shoots and leaving the arena often.

His body language is he wants to get this over with. He only needs a couple of good runs to make it competitive. If he came with a 5 and 6 who knows what could happen.

He is losing his cueball too much when the balls are open. Getting froze on balls, leaving himself banks. I would like to see him come off his break about 25%. The table is still playing loose and 25+ on the break is not needed. He doesnt need to make 3-4 balls just the corner ball and shape on the one. That is where the match is being won by SVB. Behold the power of the break rak.

If I was a pro or aspiring pro, I would take the my lead from SVB and spend hours a day perfecting the break.

Think about it. SVB has missed the same number of balls Frost has but he has run so many tables. When the balls are open , at this level the run out % is huge(over 90%), and SVB is getting the first look much more often because of the control of the table after the break. Either he runs out or plays the 1st safety and Scott has be on the defensive. Much like Alex/SVB II, when SVB was kicking, he was getting the hit but loosing control of the table, that is what is happening to Scott.

I think Scott will get more than 50 today but will still be down at least 20. Good luck to both and hope I see a great finish today.
 
I've watched most of the match so far and what I don't understand is why Scott won't try to break the same way Shane is. He's just whacking at it and hoping. Shane is much more methodical about his break, the wing ball is guaranteed and I don't know how many times he's played the cue ball for position on the one ball two rails. Amazing.

Also, for all you Frost fans, this is an honest question, how can he be top 1-2 one pocket players in the world with his apparent lack of cue ball control?

Before the match started, I said that Shane would run away with it (I even made a crazy bet that he'd win by 40) but I started to worry with all of the support that Frost fans seemed to be showing. He's just not conistent enough.
 
Alex Kanapilly said:
I've watched most of the match so far and what I don't understand is why Scott won't try to break the same way Shane is. He's just whacking at it and hoping. Shane is much more methodical about his break, the wing ball is guaranteed and I don't know how many times he's played the cue ball for position on the one ball two rails. Amazing.

Also, for all you Frost fans, this is an honest question, how can he be top 1-2 one pocket players in the world with his apparent lack of cue ball control?

Before the match started, I said that Shane would run away with it (I even made a crazy bet that he'd win by 40) but I started to worry with all of the support that Frost fans seemed to be showing. He's just not conistent enough.
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Your "crazy" bet of winning by 40 isn't looking so crazy now, is it?

I was there (in Des Moines) Friday, and yesterday, and the break difference was very apparent in person. At one point on Friday Shane had at least 10 breaks in a row making the wing ball (the 5 on Friday) and leaving the 1 ball near where he broke fromwith the cue ball just 2 feet from it - EVERYTIME!!!When it looked like Scott hit a good break - and everything set up well, the very next break the cue would get kicked (into a cluster or scratching), or he'd have NO shot on the first ball. Getting alot of bad rolls like some at the event were saying, or not as precise with the break as Shane? I'm with you, just not concentrating, or controlling the cueball. As for the one pocket and cueball control thing....how often do you hit a ball break speed in 1P???
 
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trustyrusty said:
Your "crazy" bet of winning by 40 isn't looking so crazy now, is it?

I was there (in Des Moines) Friday, and yesterday, and the break difference was very apparent in person. At one point on Friday Shane had at least 10 breaks in a row making the wing ball (the 5 on Friday) and leaving the 1 ball near where he broke fromwith the cue ball just 2 feet from it - EVERYTIME!!!When it looked like Scott hit a good break - and everything set up well, the very next break the cue would get kicked (into a cluster or scratching), or he'd have NO shot on the first ball. Getting alot of bad rolls like some at the event were saying, or not as precise with the break as Shane? I'm with you, just not concentrating, or controlling the cueball.
As for the one pocket and cueball control thing....how often do you hit a ball break speed in 1P???
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You beat me to it.:smile: Good explanation about the 1-pocket.
 
Alex Kanapilly said:
for all you Frost fans, this is an honest question, how can he be top 1-2 one pocket players in the world with his apparent lack of cue ball control?
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good point, when the balls are open, his position play is loose, he is putting the CB in the right zone at best, Shane is playing the Buddy Hall style, he is keeping a tighter leash on his rock. Scotts CB is all over the place running wild and that will catch up with anyone. Scott has to bear down a bit.

Scott looks like he is playing lazy, which can happen from playing weaker players too often, when you play C,B players all the time you get more chances per game so you dont bear down as much, you can get away with being sloppy. Thats what I see here is a bit of lazy play. I know scott can play better than he has, for sure. I dont think he has been in many tough games recently, he might be giving up huge weight to B players at Kolbys, but thats not the same as playing someone close to your speed. I know that from personal experience, if I play soft guys all the time I get softer. It happens at all levels, thats the nature of pool.

The rolls have went Shanes way mostly, but a few rolls bad rolls for scott can be attributed to his lazy play,


Scotts break is what is costing him the most, he dosent seem to be looking for the right spot, and speed and where to hit the head ball. Shane found it early and stayed there ever since. Scott dosent appear to be looking, he is hopeing-that wont work!!!


I conside them both friends and didnt bet(I havent won a bet since the Derby) so I bet $200 on this but its too small to count, I'm losing:angry: I got on scott small. I'm glad to see shane playing great again, I want to see Scott play great-like when he played Efren 1P a year ago. I hope the heck he finds himself today and makes a game out of it.


I also think he has a bad vibe playing there, or the audience, something else is bugging him. But to Shanes credit, Shane looks great, not because Scott is playing bad, Shane is just playing good.

ok i'm done:smile:
 
Actually, Scott Frost did do exactly what many of you are suggesting.

Within the first 40 games (total) both Scott and Shane were searching for the right break spot. Scott followed Shane all over the table. Right side, right side, left side, left side too, ...

Scott was ahead by 4 at that point (22-19). Scott had just overcome a 15-19 score by winning the next 7 games in a row , finishing it with a break and run. The announcers made a challenge bet of who would get to 30 first. Aside: It was great to hear them haggle over $2.50 (arriving at a bet of $20.00 to $22.50 odds).

Scott looked like he was really getting in the groove at that point. Then a dry break, followed by Shane running out.
At that point Shane found the spot and speed for the break. Then just took absolute control of the table for the next 6 games.

Seeing that Shane was finding success, Scott went to the exact same spot and broke numerous times there. Scott just kept coming up dry or hooked if he did make something. He tried a few other spots, but couldn't get a break (pun intended). After nothing else was working he decided to give his power break a try. To no avail.

At that rate, without have success at breaking nobody could keep up with Shane!
 
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Talking about cue ball control. Scott's one pocket skills have showed up with some very brilliant safety play.

But when Shane found the break spot that was working to perfection, he just ran racks.

Scott could win the safety battle in 2 out of 3 games. But with Scott's dry breaks he'd get 2 or 3 game wins. While Shane would get 4-7 game wins.
 
trustyrusty said:
Your "crazy" bet of winning by 40 isn't looking so crazy now, is it?
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Well the bet was with Corvette at 4-1 odds. He asked to buy out at even money and I accepted. I'm happy with that. Shane could easily coast from here and I wouldn't win the original bet.

I know you don't break full speed in one pocket but like Fatboy said, he was loose with the cue ball during regular play too, that's what I was talking about.

He has two separate problems in this match, not finding the sweet spot on the break (and not really working at it from what I could tell), and the loose cue ball.

I don't know how this set has been going but it looks pretty even. Score is 116 to 84 now.
 
127-93, svb just hooked himself on the break after running a 3pack.

hit a nice masse to keep going.

hangs an easy five, frost should be out.
 
Sounds like Scott is playing better tonight !

He made up some games but unfortunately he dug himself a deep hole the past few nights.
 
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