Can we get the Forsale section separated?
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I don't believe it's just dealers who keep posting this thread. As this site and the members frequenting here has grown, there probably just needs to be a little better structure added here in the Wanted/FS forum, that's all people are saying.
And for the record, I have no problem with people selling production stuff here. It's a great venue. See these Schons I'm offering to AZers for great prices. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=203145
Sound like you have some resentment towards perceived 'dealers'....well, what about the many others here at AZ that have 100, 150, or more feedback....do you have the same resentment toward them, too?
No one dislikes ordinary people selling ordinary cues. I don't think that was said anywhere in the thread. Just a few sub cats would help with some of the clutter. I also think it would entice people to list MORE items and open up the market here a little.
There are some other good ideas... like if you have multiple cues, post them in as few posts that you can, removing the thread after a sale, etc..
JV
you get 50-100 diff cues posted in a day..........people will still be bumping theres to the front...........you can not stop it.........
I think the real question is why would you want to stop it? I can understand why a dealer or someone who makes a lot of their income from selling cues, cases, or other pool products would want to keep others from bumping. They want to keep their adds on the front page. They believe somehow, buyers like me only look at the front page. Believe me, buyers like me, who are interested in your product will find it, if its listed in the for sale section, even if its on the 10th page or what ever page. Another thing, your slow sales is not a result of the structure of the for sale section of AZ, It's a result of the weak economy.
I guess some people want to change AZ because they don't want to see that many items for sale. Personally, I think people should be rewarded for an aggressive go get'em attitude about marketing. But hey, if people want to segregate items by category, I don't particularly have a problem with that.
What I am concerned with, this is just the first step to eliminate competition. If someone opposes the status quo, they would not advocate wholesale change. What they do is gradual change so people do not recognize the overall wholesale change happening around them. Here is a link to another Thread where these dealers were actually advocating requiring membership and/or charging fees for selling items. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=193067
Think about it. Charging fees for membership or per items would be an expense for a dealer that would just be absorbed in their normal business activity and pasted onto the pool player when they bought the dealers product. But, the fee would keep most pool player from being able to sell something occasionally.
Some may think I'm paranoid and maybe I am, but I've seen too many time where the average person is not allowed to participate. And, the reason is, so dealers can buy direct from manufactures, mark up the product 30%, 40%, or 50% and then sell to us. All I can say is be aware of what these dealers are really trying to accomplish. Yea, this thread does not mention eliminating certain AZ members from posting in the for sale section but it does advocate limiting visibility. I'm afraid this is just the first step.
The dealers will respond to this by saying they welcome competition, they don't want to restrict, bla bla bla.
And, to the dealer who threatened us with bombarding the for sale section with all his product, please bombard us. I beg you, bombard us with all your product.
Look, if the owners or mods of AZ decide to change the for sale section, so be it, it their kingdom. I'm just here for the chits and grins.
Steven
Separate the ForSale Section
Ditto Joe!! I think this is the time to do this, although many AZ members would have preferred it be done long ago. I have had cues that I bumped the day before wind up on page nine (9). Paul Del Giudice.
Ditto Joe!! I think this is the time to do this, although many AZ members would have preferred it be done long ago. I have had cues that I bumped the day before wind up on page nine (9). Paul Del Giudice.
Sudsections for the ForSale Forum
I agree that these Sub-Sections would provide the best and most efficient clean-up for the ForSale Forum. Plus, this would assist in educating players of the facts that production cues and their prices are distinctly different from custom cues. I hope that AZ will modify the ForSale Forum in the near future into these Sub Sections. Also, since I believe the majority of the ForSale Forum are searching for Custom cues sales, these Sub-Sections suggestions would be most beneficial, and they would reduce their on-line time sunstantially. Paul Del Giudice.
ForSale Forum sub-sections
Providing Sub-Sections for the ForSale Forum would greatly help to reduce the amount of viewer on-line time, especially if there are sub-sections for custom cues, production cues, cases, accessories including instructional materials and products. This would benefit all viewers, and AZ Billiards. Paul Del Giudice.
Providing Sub-Sections for the ForSale Forum would greatly help to reduce the amount of viewer on-line time, especially if there are sub-sections for custom cues, production cues, cases, accessories including instructional materials and products. This would benefit all viewers, and AZ Billiards. Paul Del Giudice.
Good luck............................
With that kinda numbers in sales
They would be dealers if they sold that much! I mostly BUY however I sold a few cases and joined AZ. It's odd that you see people with these numbers and not MEMBERS? Go figure! Ron
They would be dealers if they sold that much! I mostly BUY however I sold a few cases and joined AZ. It's odd that you see people with these numbers and not MEMBERS? Go figure! Ron
How about just a filter option? Its not really a sub-set or sub-sections, but when you click the link it filters output. All the ads are still in the for sale section, but when you click on the cue link it filters the "for sale" section for posts marked as cues.
Cues / Cases / Accessories / Other
clean it up
I think most people on here, both dealors and individuals, want the same things for the same reasons. Your goal when you sell something, anything, is to get the best money you can out of it. Often, the market will set the price or a price range. If the forsale/wanted section was divided by item first, price second, and read like a spread sheet, it would not take long to see who is above or below that market value. This also gives equal exposure for all items listed in a catagory. The consumer would be able to use this information to make a sound buying decision. This would also eliminate the need for bumping and threads such as "looking for a Jensen", or, how much is so and so worth, and my favorite, "looking for a cue in the ?$-?$ range". I don't mean to pick on anybody, but, this format would eliminate all of this. You would be dealing with more factual and tangable inforation at your finger tips.
The spreadsheet could be set up using colors, red for item sold, and green for items for sale. The buyer would simply flip the green to the red after a sale, list the sold price, and that item would be archived for future references. You also would be able to leave feedback on the transaction right on the same page for all to see without looking two or three places. Also have ikons for various aspects for your individual items such as pictures, free shipping, international shipping, domestic shipping, anything that would be useful or helpful for both buyer and seller to communicate without the need for a thread, post, or PM.
I also think that there should be a fee based on a % of the sale. This fee would be used to maintain AZ for non members. Membership fees would include free listing of items. This would be a win win. Again, just my thoughts on the entire subject.
I think most people on here, both dealors and individuals, want the same things for the same reasons. Your goal when you sell something, anything, is to get the best money you can out of it. Often, the market will set the price or a price range. If the forsale/wanted section was divided by item first, price second, and read like a spread sheet, it would not take long to see who is above or below that market value. This also gives equal exposure for all items listed in a catagory. The consumer would be able to use this information to make a sound buying decision. This would also eliminate the need for bumping and threads such as "looking for a Jensen", or, how much is so and so worth, and my favorite, "looking for a cue in the ?$-?$ range". I don't mean to pick on anybody, but, this format would eliminate all of this. You would be dealing with more factual and tangable inforation at your finger tips.
The spreadsheet could be set up using colors, red for item sold, and green for items for sale. The buyer would simply flip the green to the red after a sale, list the sold price, and that item would be archived for future references. You also would be able to leave feedback on the transaction right on the same page for all to see without looking two or three places. Also have ikons for various aspects for your individual items such as pictures, free shipping, international shipping, domestic shipping, anything that would be useful or helpful for both buyer and seller to communicate without the need for a thread, post, or PM.
I also think that there should be a fee based on a % of the sale. This fee would be used to maintain AZ for non members. Membership fees would include free listing of items. This would be a win win. Again, just my thoughts on the entire subject.
Define dealer. There are "non" dealers that sell more cues than I do and aren't "club" members. But to me that's irrelevent. We are talking about separation by item and making it a little easier on the eyes.
When you go to a library are all the books thrown in the middle of the floor?
BTW there was no threat, just a hypothetical.
JV
