Canadian Hard Rock Maple shaft

Some repackage the Canadians and claim they're from Michigan. :rolleyes:
I think the biggest dealers get them from Canada.

Joey~Prefers the east coast maple~
 
I think it is more the other way around. The Canadians have been buying maple from us for more than 20 years, taking it just over the boarder, processing and shipping it back as Canadian maple. Kind of how we in the Pacific Northwest sell logs to Japan and they take them offshore, process and sell the f.....s back to us.
 
bdcues said:
I think it is more the other way around. The Canadians have been buying maple from us for more than 20 years, taking it just over the boarder, processing and shipping it back as Canadian maple. Kind of how we in the Pacific Northwest sell logs to Japan and they take them offshore, process and sell the f.....s back to us.
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You could be right but I would have to question their motives. Japan's circumstances are a little different. They buy logs and process into veneers and and other products and resell back to us very like you describe as they don't have a sustainable supply of those wood on their islands. Canadians though, need to pay a tax on everything they bring into their country from abroad. Just wondering why they would buy wood, not quite as good from what is available to them domestically, pay the tax and shipping costs and then ship it back for a price cheaper than our own suppliers charge? There may be a way around it but it just doesn't seem logical to me.

Dick
 
not quite

These replies are nice, but I am looking for a shaft made from REAL Canadian Hard Rock Maple.
It seems that most American cue makers use Northern Michigan hard rock maple stock.
 
Roger Illinois said:
These replies are nice, but I am looking for a shaft made from REAL Canadian Hard Rock Maple.
It seems that most American cue makers use Northern Michigan hard rock maple stock.
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Hmm, lets see. The very first cuemaker to reply stated:

"Many do, I for one."

Then the next cuemaker to reply stated:

"Probably 90% of cuemakers, I would think. "

The third cue cuemaker replied with:

"I think the biggest dealers get them from Canada."

Yet you say it seems most American cue makers get their stock from Michigan. Do you not believe rhncue? Did the cuemakers who replied have to bold the word "REAL" in their quote for you to believe them?

I believe rhncue, (at least some of) my stock is from the same source as (at least some of ) his, and it is from Canada.

Kelly
 
Roger Illinois said:
These replies are nice, but I am looking for a shaft made from REAL Canadian Hard Rock Maple.
It seems that most American cue makers use Northern Michigan hard rock maple stock.
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Just trying to be of help here, but It's been stated that Dick Uses It, and about 90% of makers do or have used It. I use both of them, and know many others do as well. If You want a shaft made from Canadian, My recommendation would be giving the specs You desire, and see what replies You get. There's plenty of people here that can get You what You want, and will give You estimates for the job with the specs You need.
 
rhncue said:
You could be right but I would have to question their motives. Japan's circumstances are a little different. They buy logs and process into veneers and and other products and resell back to us very like you describe as they don't have a sustainable supply of those wood on their islands. Canadians though, need to pay a tax on everything they bring into their country from abroad. Just wondering why they would buy wood, not quite as good from what is available to them domestically, pay the tax and shipping costs and then ship it back for a price cheaper than our own suppliers charge? There may be a way around it but it just doesn't seem logical to me.

Dick
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I agree Dick, it seems unlikely, but then I'm not in the business. The forrestry business in Quebec is significant and they produce a lot of maple product from their vast forrests. As you say, their maple may be superior for cue shafts as trees in a colder climate will grow more slowly. Here is an interesting site that may provide some information :

http://www.quebecwoodexport.com/

Dave
 
rhncue said:
You could be right but I would have to question their motives. Japan's circumstances are a little different. They buy logs and process into veneers and and other products and resell back to us very like you describe as they don't have a sustainable supply of those wood on their islands. Canadians though, need to pay a tax on everything they bring into their country from abroad. Just wondering why they would buy wood, not quite as good from what is available to them domestically, pay the tax and shipping costs and then ship it back for a price cheaper than our own suppliers charge? There may be a way around it but it just doesn't seem logical to me.

Dick
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First off, it has nothing to do with whether they have their own forrests or not. It has to do with making money. If they could not process the logs offshore, and sell them back cheaper than we could make them ourselves they would not be in business and the many mills in the NW that have closed would still be operational.
Second, show me where the Canadians pay import duty on roundwood (logs). Then show me where on any so called Canadian Hard Maple shafts you have ever bought from Canada it showed a tariff coming into America.
Third, show me proof that Canadian Hard Maple is better than Hard Maple from Michigan.
The Canadians buy our logs for the same reason the Japanese do - to make money. The U S exports 4 times as much wood into Canada as Canada does into the U S. They must be doing this for some reason. Mills and Lumber sellers in both Michigan and Maine ( where I buy my maple ) have told me about mills just over the boarder, buying logs and selling dimentional lumber back to us. They do it for the same reason so many things are now made in China - profit.
 
And if anyone hasn't had real maple syrup on their pancakes, they don't know they're missing but at around $16 a bottle many people pass on it.
It only gets bought in our house for a treat once in a blue moon.
 
bdcues said:
The U S exports 4 times as much wood into Canada as Canada does into the U S. They must be doing this for some reason.
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Ya, and it likely has nothing to do with this :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_–_Canada_softwood_lumber_dispute

:rolleyes:

Of course I am assuming that you speak of the general wood trade balance, not the cue-shaft-maple-only segment (which I would think is extremely trivial in value and volume compared to dimensional softwood lumber).

Dave
 
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